Subaru Cars reliable?

[Mr. Pockets]

Originally posted by GreenMarineSVX
[B]I believe this completly!!! My baby runs like a shower of ****!!![B]

Wait...is that a good thing???

[svxxx26]

Good lord...so what this boils down to is that someone's girlfriend ended up with a crapped out SVX???

And...strangely enough....because of this unfortunate circumstance and some questionable Subaru horror stories, we should recognize the superiority of domestic Detroit iron?

All on a dedicated SVX site?

[Shadow248]

Originally posted by Mr. Pockets


Funny you should avoid the question. Where is your proof that domestic cars are as reliable as Japanese models? I see a lot of anecdotal 'evidence' on your part, but no actual proof. Your personal experiences and 'my professor' this and 'my friend' that do not prove a thing. Where is even one report showing that American cars are as reliable as Japanese cars?

I will be happy to discuss the validity of the study I presented (and the credibility of its source) if you present me with the requested information.

Until then you are blowing hot air.

I told you that i'm working on it. I can't believe how worked up foreign car guys get when they're questioned about this. Then they have the nerve to go and say that it's the domestic car guys that are this way. I don't see anyone at GM, or any GM customers for that matter, that are worried about foreign cars being better in any way than the cars they drive. They just drive. Cheaper.

I'll get you that article...I just need a scanner. I could type the whole thing up right now, but I know you wouldn't believe me. If you want I could give you a link to some random thrid party tester that says American cars are better...but then you'd discount it as being biased. Yet there have been many studies that show CR is extremely biased towards foreign carmakers. In fact, i'm going to show you one of those too.

As I have said many times before, I refuse to spend more than 5 minutes at a time on this site...what is said here has no bearing on what happens in the real world anyway. So you're just going to have to wait...if it's really that important to you, I think maybe you need to find a hobby or go for a ride or something.

Originally posted by Landshark.
you have teh funnAy!

(BTW, when i say 'European', i am not including VW - they may be worse than GM.)

why GM no quality control?

Back to your original comment...it's a funny coincidence but as I type this, a good friend of mine is informing me that his 2000 Protege with just under 60k blew a head gasket today.

The only European car maker that i can think of that rates above GM in quality is BMW. You can even include the limited edition Ferrari, Porsche and Lambo. They still don't make it. They have an image so everyone believes that they are just such superior cars...ask anyone who owns any of those cars they'll tell you different. Yeah they are in the shop much less but remember they only get driven like 2000 miles a year. Go into the larger companies - everyone knows about Jaguar, Audi is approximately equal to VW (Audi's ARE rebadged VWs after all) and Mercedes Benz could very well be the worst of them all. So who's left? I'm sure i missed someone...so i'm open to suggestions.

Originally posted by svxxx26
Good lord...so what this boils down to is that someone's girlfriend ended up with a crapped out SVX???

And...strangely enough....because of this unfortunate circumstance and some questionable Subaru horror stories, we should recognize the superiority of domestic Detroit iron?

All on a dedicated SVX site?

No sir. As i've said many times before I have no expectations of turning ANYONE on this site into any kind of american car lover. Not a chance. It just really bothers me when I see people on this site lumping all American cars together and saying that they are of less quality just because they are American. You don't believe in the country you live in? That's pretty bad. Maybe you should move to Japan if you love their cars so much. I know that when I am driving around in my Trans Am that guys in Preludes, Supras, S4s, M3s, are all thinking that my car is just worthless and not even worthy of being called a sports car. Well I prove these people wrong every day - When I can outrun their car, pay less to get mine fixed, and still get equal or even better gas mileage. Not to mention I can be proud in knowing I did all of this in a machine built by the country I love.

But just like the foreign car guys say that American car guys are worried that the japanese or whoever are going to take over the car market...you have to remember that we are the contenders...we've been on top for longer than most of us have been alive...we just want to make sure that these great cars at least get the respect they deserve. You don't have to like them, just make sure you know something about what you are talking about when you try to say that they are of poor quality compared to Japanese model X. Usually you are wrong.

[i]Originally posted by Shot King[i]
No Loyales in 98 .

Yes, typo...it was a 1988. too many 9s not enough 8s.

[upnygimp]

Ok man, you can live in your deluded little world as much as you want to. Please don't try to push your BS on us, cause obviously we're not taking it. I am not a domestic hater by any means, I looked into buying a Trans Am GTA this summer, but it never worked out. I know (as you and the other ignorant people just like you don't seem to) that most GM cars are notorious for being pieces of ****. Theres a reason Toyotas are selling better, and its not cause theyre cheaper. I believe Toyotas became the number 1 brand sold in the US last year, but don't quote me on that. I don't hate domestics by any means though. I just am not too keen on buying most of them.

Yes, typo...it was a 1988. too many 9s not enough 8s.

No Loyales in 88 either

[Shadow248]

Originally posted by Shot King
No Loyales in 88 either

Ok...to make this easier than going back and forth - he said 1988. It was a dark red subaru wagon. Sharp nose, very squarish. I said I wasn't sure about the model...so what does it sound like to you?

Actually i'm just playin with ya it was probably a GL wagon which is the exact same thing as a Loyale they just didnt call it a Loyale till 1990. I kinda figured you meant 88 when ya said the interior was fallin apart. Both of mine are currently experiencing interior rot.

[Landshark]

Originally posted by Shadow248
...it's a funny coincidence but as I type this, a good friend of mine is informing me that his 2000 Protege with just under 60k blew a head gasket today.

i guess you're right - American cars really are better becuase your buddy's import blew a head gasket. what the hell was i thinking!

Originally posted by Shadow248
You don't believe in the country you live in? That's pretty bad. Maybe you should move to Japan if you love their cars so much. I know that when I am driving around in my Trans Am that guys in Preludes, Supras, S4s, M3s, are all thinking that my car is just worthless and not even worthy of being called a sports car. Well I prove these people wrong every day - When I can outrun their car, pay less to get mine fixed, and still get equal or even better gas mileage. Not to mention I can be proud in knowing I did all of this in a machine built by the country I love.

that's beautiful, man. <wipes tears>
i believe in America, but when i'm spending in excess of $10,000 on a car, i like to get the best my money can buy in terms of quality, performance, and looks. i served in the military, so i think i've done my patriotic duty. i hope you use an American made computer, TV, VCR, and stereo, too, because otherwise you'd be downright un-American! sure, i'd love to have a car with cheap-ass parts that you can buy anywhere. why do i pay more for harder to come by parts? i guess i'm just an idiot. oh wait, its because i'd rather spend my time driving my car than replacing cheap parts every weekend. i've been there, done that. i've owned more domestic cars than imports, and i wish i would have tried imports a lot sooner. i may not have the pride of driving a machine built in the country i love, but i do have the pride in knowing i didn't throw my money away on another rattle trap.

[Shadow248]

Originally posted by Landshark
i guess you're right - American cars really are better becuase your buddy's import blew a head gasket. what the hell was i thinking!

Isn't it funny that whenever i bring up a problem with an import, it's discounted as "an isolated incident". But when i hear of a problem with an american car it's "typical american junk"? That's what i've said time and time again i have a problem with. You don't have to like the cars, but just give up this ridiculous "imports are automatically better than domestics" thing. This is 2004, not 1988.

Originally posted by Landshark
that's beautiful, man. <wipes tears>
i believe in America, but when i'm spending in excess of $10,000 on a car, i like to get the best my money can buy in terms of quality, performance, and looks. i served in the military, so i think i've done my patriotic duty. i hope you use an American made computer, TV, VCR, and stereo, too, because otherwise you'd be downright un-American! sure, i'd love to have a car with cheap-ass parts that you can buy anywhere. why do i pay more for harder to come by parts? i guess i'm just an idiot. oh wait, its because i'd rather spend my time driving my car than replacing cheap parts every weekend. i've been there, done that. i've owned more domestic cars than imports, and i wish i would have tried imports a lot sooner. i may not have the pride of driving a machine built in the country i love, but i do have the pride in knowing i didn't throw my money away on another rattle trap.

Thanks. I went the opposite way you did. Growing up I was all about Acura's...my mom went through 4 Integra's and i loved them all (didn't know about the mechanical problems). My dad told me all along that they were just "jap crap". I got an integra as my first car. After mine and my mom's experiences with the cars, I now drive only American. She has an infiniti right now, and she's ready to shove it up the dealers ass, cause it's been back to the dealer 6 times for the same problem and they still can't fix it.

My point is now and always has been...for each American lemon, there's a Japanese and European lemon. 15 years ago there was certainly a quality difference. Japan got it's act together alot quicker than america. But these days it's a toss up...and that being the case, why should i pay so much more for a car that's only going to cost me more to repair in the future (assuming i like my choices)?

[Landshark]

Originally posted by Shadow248
But these days it's a toss up...and that being the case, why should i pay so much more for a car........

yes, they are priced out of reach. show me a comparable domestic that has AWD and the performance of a WRX for less than $24,000.


that's what i thought.

[ensteele]

Shadow248

I do not understand your point with the discussion. According to your profile, you own a 92 SVX. The last time I checked it is a Japanese car. The other unclear point is why are you arguing against imports when that is the kind of site THIS is. If you look at the top of the page, it gives you the name of the site. So, are you just wanting to argue for the fun of it or what. Think about it. Thanks.

[GreenMarine]

Earl, I just have a question for ya.... You have 5 (FIVE) SVX's right??? howmany major problems have you had with them and what are the current mileages on your cars??? This should straighten things out for us... Since I have never asked you about your SVX's before I am kinda hoping that you'll tell me no problems but lets see what you say..... I'm leaning twards No problems though... Subaru's are awesome cars and that's gonna be all that I buy from now on!!! I can't believe that I was looking at a Land Rover the last time I was in Australia!!!

[Mr. Pockets]

Originally posted by Shadow248
I can't believe how worked up foreign car guys get

I didn't get worked up. I presented evidence, now I'm waiting for yours. You're assuming too much. I don't have to get worked up - I have facts on my side. You have rhetoric and anecdotes.

And don't presume to question my patriotism just because I say Japanese cars are more reliable, and that I have evidence to support it. This is the typical 'last resort' argument of the domestic car fan. Being patriotic doesn't mean that I will buy an American product at any cost. Bear with me for a minute, okay, man? If the American product doesn't suit my needs, or is inferior, why should I buy it? If an American product is inferior, what am I teaching the company that produces it if I buy it just because it's American? I'm teaching them that they can get away with producing crap and that they don't need to make competitive products.

So, hear this: I will buy an American car when I see proof that they are just as reliable as Japanese cars, when I can verify that proof and when they fit my needs. Example (but sort of in reverse): I used to own a 1991 Escort wagon. It was a hell of a little car and served me (and other members of my family) flawlessly. Guess what? It's on the CR 'best used cars' list.

And I love my country. Don't make the mistake of questioning that again.

[Mr. Pockets]

Originally posted by ensteele
Shadow248

I do not understand your point with the discussion. According to your profile, you own a 92 SVX. The last time I checked it is a Japanese car. The other unclear point is why are you arguing against imports when that is the kind of site THIS is. If you look at the top of the page, it gives you the name of the site. So, are you just wanting to argue for the fun of it or what. Think about it. Thanks.

This was a response to your post, but Alan did a better job of it below.

[Landshark]

Originally posted by ensteele
Shadow248

I do not understand your point with the discussion. According to your profile, you own a 92 SVX. The last time I checked it is a Japanese car. The other unclear point is why are you arguing against imports when that is the kind of site THIS is. If you look at the top of the page, it gives you the name of the site. So, are you just wanting to argue for the fun of it or what. Think about it. Thanks.

here's the Cliff's Note's:

his girlfriend owns a beat-to-hell moneypit SVX (that a reasonable person would have unloaded a long time ago.) therefore imports are inferior to domestics. he comes on here to get technical info to fix his girlfriend's trashed SVX, bash imports, and extol the virtues of Pontiacs.

now you don't have to read the whole thread. it has been civilized so far - no Rob-style namecalling or immaturity (i think?) we're being good.