96 Lsi carfax, bill of sale

[SVX92-97]

Ok, does anyone want to take the 96 Lsi with the salvaged title off of my hands for $5,600 from the ebay auction. Just thought I would ask. I would even help out with delivery within a couple hundred miles. Seller is promising me a clear title and free parts, to be determined. I dont have the time to *uck with this guy. I drove it home 400 miles and it ran, sounded, handled, shifted great. Here are some of the photos.

[Electrophil]

So that one has manual front seat belts?

[Seraph]

Originally Posted by Electrophil

So that one has manual front seat belts?

Only 92,93 and 94s have auto belts. And 94.5 models have manual belts.

[Electrophil]

Originally Posted by Seraph

Only 92,93 and 94s have auto belts. And 94.5 models have manual belts.

Wow!! I never knew that!

Ya see, ya never stop learning new things about this car.

[Electrophil]

Hey Dan, I checked the carfax on your car. I see no transfer of ownership past the salvage title to Geico insurance in 2003. The accident actually occurred in April 2002. According to the DMV, the car didn't belong to this guy for him to sell it to you. He never transferred ownership of the vehicle. In the state of Nevada, this would have been an illegal sale.

I really don't think it's a good idea to sell this vehicle. You need to put that snake oil salesman in jail.... and I don't know about MD, but in Nevada....... he would go to jail from what I can see. He can NOT get you a clear title. This car will never have a clear title again. A rebuilt title is all it can have, and $5,600 is a little steep for a car reported as having "frame damage" on it's carfax.

[Seraph]

How many miles does it have now and why the salvage title?

[svxcess]

Originally Posted by Seraph

How many miles does it have now and why the salvage title?

Lwin,

The whole story starts out normally in this thread:

http://www.subaru-svx.net/forum/show...4&page=1&pp=20

and starting around post 17 your worst nightmare is about to begin... A true horror story: "Night of the Living Red"


We have to be able to do something.

[ensteele]

Originally Posted by Seraph

How many miles does it have now and why the salvage title?

Lwin - Long story - you need to look up the thread to find out what happened.

[Seraph]

I just did. As long as the title is assigned to the guy who sold the car or is released by GEICO, it'll be fine. He'll NEVER EVER get a CLEAN title though. From the sound of things, all I can say is

[SVX92-97]

I called Geico and asked them if they could tell me if they still owned the car because the front of the title lists them as the owner, and they could not tell me or would not tell me. They told me to call the DMV. I am posting the front and back of the title again, so please look at it carefully and let me know what it sounds like. The guy who sold me the car from ebay, and to whom I sent payment to and met in person, goes by the name of buck jones. His name is nowhere on the title. The bill of sale and the second owner above my name and my wifes name is listed as M Gordon Auto Sales, in Shippensberg, PA, the seller told me this is his brother. So does that make M Gordon the legal owner of the car prior to signing it to me. Buck Jones from Delmar Auto Parts sold me the car, but never put his name on the title. Now he tells me he is going to get another title in his name that wont be a salvage title and then sign that one over to me. What do you think, will he be able to do this legally and will this title allow me to bypass my State of CT Dmv inspection. Thanks for all your replies and concerns. John Hoffman called me tonight, thanks again John.

Dan

[svxcess]

Could Buck Jones be doing his brother a favor and selling it for him? Maybe Buck is also part owner of M. Gordon and is authorized to sell as an agent of the company.

I still can't follow this trail. T-Rex Auto Sales in Delaware bought this car from Jean Snyder in November, 2003. Mileage: 94,930

M. Gordon Auto Sales in Pennsylvania bought it from them in January, 2004. Mileage: still 94,930.

In all this time the car never accumulated one additional mile? What state is Jean Snyder (presumed original owner) from? Her address appears nowhere. There is nothing that says that this car ever left the State of Maryland, even though it was sold multiple times.

We have a recovered theft, which probably was involved in a major accident, (deployed airbags, etc) with enough damage to require an entire repaint. Then another accident, which required only the replacement of a bumper cover and radiator support by Buck? Any accident which would take out a radiator support probably killed the headlights and grille as well. Used parts again. Is there a functioning bumper under the front cover?

This gets worse and more confusing by the minute. I talked to Dan earlier this evening to give him encouragement and the support of the "family". He says the car runs strong and has no tranny problems, rattles, leaks, steering or alignment issues, etc. Interior is in very good condition.

All the small problems, like condensation, etc. can be fixed. The paint job can eventually be rectified. getting it on the road safely is the first concern. I told him the members here would help in any way that they can; all he has to do is ask. (I told him of the support that was generated by the crash of the SVX owned by Earthworm's dad).

I also gave him Bill "calmone" Morstein's number for additional advice. A very competent Maryland attorney, who owns a 92 Teal Green (and a Rolls, an NSX and a few more garage queens)

.

[SVX92-97]

Ok,

Guys here is the Bill of Sale for the 96 Lsi (ebay) showing M Gordon Auto Sales, Inc. as the seller and last owner, NOT Buck Jones from Delmar Auto Parts who sold me the car from ebay auction. Buck claims M Gordon Auto sales is his brother. I basically want the rebuilt title in order to register this car, as the salvage will do me no good. He must make good on his promises for the pass. airbag and steering wheel and other missing or broken interior parts. Thanks for all your comments and suggestions, I hope you guys can see me thru this headache.

Dan

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ALERT! Severe problems (major accidents, fire, flood damage, major odometer problems or lemon history) were reported by a Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) for this 1996 SUBARU SVX LSI AWD (JF1CX8653TH100681). This vehicle does NOT qualify for the CARFAX Buyback Guarantee.


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The story of this 1996 SUBARU SVX LSI AWD (JF1CX8653TH100681) according to our interpretation of the information reported to CARFAX:
This coupe has had 2 owners and was owned in Virginia and Maryland. It was originally registered by the owner for personal use.
It was involved in an accident in Maryland that was reported to the police. It was reported as damaged by a DMV or other CARFAX source. It was at a collision repair facility after an accident or other incident and frame damage was reported. Go to framefacts.com for information about frame damage.
It was severely damaged and issued a Salvage title by a Maryland DMV.
It has not been reported by a DMV as having an Exceeds Mechanical Limits or Not Actual Mileage title.
It has a consistent mileage history with no indication of an odometer rollback. It was driven an average of 12,775 miles per year, which is lower than the industry average of 15,000. The last odometer reading, reported on 10/14/2003, was 94,930 miles.
It was not reported by a DMV as a Manufacturer Buyback or LEMON.
It has no recalls that still require repair.
Its original manufacturer warranty was voided after it was severely damaged.
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Report Summary
1. ACCIDENT CHECK

Total Loss Check Severe Accident or Total Loss Event Reported by a DMV
Other Accident Indicators Accident Indicator Reported
2. MILEAGE ACCURACY CHECK

Truth-In-Mileage Check No Odometer Problems Reported by a DMV
Odometer Rollback Check No Potential Odometer Rollback Found
Mileage Consistency Check No Inconsistent Odometer Reading Found
3. LEMON CHECK®
No Mfr. Buyback Reported by a DMV
4. OWNERSHIP CHECK

Number of Owners 2 Estimated Owner(s)
Type of Owners Originally Registered as a Personal Vehicle
5. RECALL CHECK
No Open Recall(s) Reported
6. WARRANTY CHECK
Warranty Voided
DETAILED VEHICLE HISTORY 10 HISTORY RECORDS REPORTED
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Year/Make/Model: 1996 SUBARU SVX LSI AWD

Body Style: COUPE
Engine: 3.3L H6 24V DOHC MFI
Fuel: GASOLINE
Driveline: ALL WHEEL DRIVE
Manufactured in: JAPAN
Safety Equipment: 4 wheel ABS, Dual front air bags/active (manual) belts

Standard Equipment: Power Windows, Power Steering, Air Conditioning, AM / FM CD, Power Brakes, Power sun / moon roof, Tilt Wheel, 6-digit Odometer







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Total Loss Check:


ALERT! Severe damage events were reported by a DMV for this 1996 SUBARU SVX LSI AWD (JF1CX8653TH100681). This vehicle does NOT qualify for the CARFAX Buyback Guarantee.

Salvage Title Reported No Loss Due To Fire Title Reported
No Junk Title Reported No Flood Damage Title Reported
No Rebuilt/Reconstructed Title Reported No Hail Damage Title Reported
No Dismantled Title Reported No Canadian Total Loss Record Reported

Other Accident Indicators:


This 1996 SUBARU SVX LSI AWD (JF1CX8653TH100681) had accident indicators reported to CARFAX from its sources. This section checks for accidents and/or related damage reported from many public and private sources. Not all accidents are reported to CARFAX. A vehicle inspection completed by your dealer or professional mechanic is recommended.

No Salvage Auction Record Reported No Crash Test Vehicle Record Reported
No Fire Damage Record Reported No Airbag Deployment Record Reported
Frame Damage Record Reported Damage Disclosure Record Reported
Police Accident Record Reported Collision Repair Facility Record Reported

Accident Indicators Detail:
Date: Source: Detail:
04/10/2002 Maryland Police Report Accident Reported
Involving a front impact
with another motor vehicle
Moderate or severe damage reported

10/14/2003 Collision Repair Facility Frame inspection performed
after an accident or other incident
Frame damage reported

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Maryland Police Reports:
Provides an estimate of the extent of damage in its accident reports. The levels of damage are:
SEVERE: The vehicle cannot be driven from the accident scene due to severe damage or an injury. This level of damage often results in a Salvage or Junk title.
MODERATE: The accident damage affects the operation of the vehicle and/or its parts. Examples include broken windows, trunk lids, doors, bumpers and tires.
MINOR: The accident damage does not affect the operation of the vehicle. Examples include dented bumpers, fenders, grills and body panels. This level of accident should not compromise vehicle safety.
NO DAMAGE: The vehicle was not damaged.
Are processed if the vehicle is towed from the scene
Are released to CARFAX approximately 5 months after the accident date

According to the National Safety Council, Injury Facts, 2003 edition, 12% of the 243 million registered vehicles in the U.S. were involved in an accident in 2002. Over 90% of these were considered minor or moderate.
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Truth-In-Mileage Check:


None of the following major odometer problems were ever reported by a DMV under the Truth-In-Mileage Act for this 1996 SUBARU SVX LSI AWD (JF1CX8653TH100681).

Not Actual Mileage Title - issued by DMV when the owner discloses mileage fraud or a broken odometer.
Exceeds Mechanical Limits Title - issued by DMV when the owner discloses an odometer rollover.


Odometer Rollback Check:


CARFAX found no odometer rollbacks for this 1996 SUBARU SVX LSI AWD (JF1CX8653TH100681). Rollbacks reported in this section originate from readings collected by a DMV or other verifiable source.

Mileage Consistency Check:


CARFAX found no inconsistent odometer readings in the mileage history of this 1996 SUBARU SVX LSI AWD (JF1CX8653TH100681).

Date: Mileage:
07/02/1996 79
10/25/2001 76,909
11/19/2001 76,919
10/14/2003 94,930



Average miles driven per year 12,775 CARFAX AdvisorTM Compare this vehicle's average annual mileage to the industry average of 15,000 miles per year. Use this comparison to determine how this vehicle was driven.

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No manufacturer buyback was ever reported by a DMV for this 1996 SUBARU SVX LSI AWD (JF1CX8653TH100681).

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Ownership History:


CARFAX estimates that this 1996 SUBARU SVX LSI AWD (JF1CX8653TH100681) had 2 owner(s). CARFAX analyzed this vehicle's title history and other supporting events to identify potential ownership transfers. In compliance with the U.S. privacy laws, CARFAX does not collect or report owner names or addresses.

Estimated Owners: Date: Location:
1st owner 07/02/1996 Virginia
2nd owner 11/19/2001 Maryland

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This 1996 SUBARU SVX LSI AWD (JF1CX8653TH100681) was checked for 8 types of registrations.

Personal Use Registration Reported No Fleet Registration Reported
No Lease Registration Reported No Commercial Registration Reported
No Rental Registration Reported No Non-Profit Registration Reported
No Taxi Registration Reported No Built to Non U.S. Standards Record Reported

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This 1996 SUBARU SVX LSI AWD (JF1CX8653TH100681) has no recalls that still require repair.

Date: Source: Description:
10/10/2005 Subaru of America No recalls open for repair

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The original manufacturer warranty for this 1996 SUBARU SVX LSI AWD (JF1CX8653TH100681) was most likely voided when this vehicle was severely damaged.

Estimated start date of warranty: 07/02/1996
Last reading reported on 10/14/2003: 94,930 miles
Today's Date: October 10, 2005

Type of Coverage: Original Warranty: Estimated Remaining Coverage:
Basic 36 months or 36,000 miles Void
Drivetrain 60 months or 60,000 miles Void
Emissions 24 months or 24,000 miles Void
Corrosion 60 months or unlimited mileage Void
Transferable Transferable at no cost. Void
Roadside Assistance No data reported to CARFAX
Safety Belt & Inflatable Restraint No data reported to CARFAX
Specific Components 96 months or 80,000 miles Coverage expired
Notes: Manufacturer covers emissions components under basic warranty. Emissions coverage may vary by state. Refer to owners manual for specific details. Transferable: not cost, unlimited owners covered.

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CARFAX searched more than 3 billion records from over 5,300 sources and found 10 record(s) for this 1996 SUBARU SVX LSI AWD (JF1CX8653TH100681).

Date:
Mileage Reading:
Source:
General Comments:


07/02/1996 79 Virginia
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Rockville, MD
Title or registration issued
First owner reported


07/15/1996 Virginia
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Rockville, MD
Registered as
personal vehicle


06/01/2001 Virginia
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Rockville, MD
Title or registration issued


10/25/2001 76,909 Virginia
Inspection Station
Fairfax, VA
Passed emissions inspection


11/19/2001 76,919 Maryland
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Davidsonville, MD
Title #31357566
Registration issued or renewed
New owner reported


04/10/2002 Maryland
Police Report
Columbia, MD
Case #0209306232
Accident Reported
Involving a front impact
with another motor vehicle
Moderate or severe damage reported


10/14/2003 94,930 Collision Repair Facility
Maryland
Frame inspection performed
after an accident or other incident
Frame damage reported

Go to framefacts.com for information about frame damage


11/12/2003 Maryland
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Clinton, MD
Title #31357566
SALVAGE TITLE/CERTIFICATE ISSUED


11/30/2003 Maryland
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Damage Disclosure reported


10/10/2005 Subaru of America No recalls open for repair
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Accident
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Collision Repair Facility
A collision repair facility specializes in repairing vehicle damage caused by accidents and other incidents. A vehicle inspection completed by your dealer or a professional inspector is recommended.

Damage Disclosure
The title issued when the seller indicates that the vehicle has sustained damage as a result of one or more incidents. The amount of damage varies by state.

First Owner
When the first owner(s) obtains a title from a Department of Motor Vehicles as proof of ownership.

Frame Damage
In most cases, a vehicle is inspected for frame damage after an accident or other incident. All levels of accidents from minor to severe can cause frame damage and in most cases it can be repaired. Having this vehicle's frame inspected before purchase is recommended. Go to framefacts.com for information about frame damage.
New Owner Reported
When a vehicle is sold to a new owner, the Title must be transferred to the new owner(s) at a Department of Motor Vehicles.

Personal Use
Vehicle was registered by the owner for private or personal use.

Salvage Title
A Salvage Title is issued on a vehicle damaged to the extent that the cost of repairing the vehicle for safe operation exceeds its fair market value; or a vehicle that has been declared a Total Loss by an insurer or other state or jurisdiction. Some states treat Junk titles the same as Salvage but the majority use this title to indicate that a vehicle is not road worthy and cannot be titled again in that state. The following ten States also use Salvage titles to identify stolen vehicles - AZ, FL, GA, IL, MN, NJ, NM, NY, OK and OR.


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[wawazat??]

Dan,

I'm going to merge thgis thread with the other you already started. Please do not start a new thread when this would be better posted in the existing one. Makes it easier for others to find and easier for you to keep track of.

Thanks,
Todd

[Seraph]

This is the ****tiest looking/feeling Bill of Sale I've ever seen and I've seen a decent amount of bill of sales both wholesale and retail.

[Electrophil]

Dan, with all respect, quit fooling around trying to get a handful of second hand parts from this crook. He sold you a vehicle that's been reported as having a damaged frame......for an outrageous amount of money. He
s already been thrown off eBay which tells you he already has a history.... along with that 91% feedback thing. Don't play with this guy..... Get your money back.

http://pages.ebay.com/help/tp/motors...urance-ov.html