Box and Locker Clean! Waiting to be banned.

Never heard that version. I saw the fiddle thing in The Peoples Almanac. You might be right. Either way it blew up more than it should. Of course I'm sure der ain't muuch tew dew in dem parts beesides shewt ait ich uther.

[Noir]

Originally posted by Crash
Harry, I think you are a really nice guy with that kind of humor that likes to 'push it'. I

Thanks for the comment. Most everyone that's met me knows my strange humor. I always make an effort to tell people that I'm joking. The people I joke around here on the forums KNOW that I'm joking and they also find amusement in jabbing me back. Heck, I've even poke fun at myself for fun. Ask Randy, ask TheMarine, ask anyone else that I've exchanged words with.

I understand where you are coming from. This is the only sight I really visit. But I don't have much time here to be comfortable enough yet to really push things. I have a girlfriend that picks enough fights (daily). So here I like to stay neutral. But if you like we can fight over a fiddle or dead pig or whatever us Kentuckians fight about. I fart in your general direction

[Alycone]

I'm kinda surprised the mods haven't stepped in on this one much, if only to ask pissed-off people not to pm chris until they know more about what's happening.

I don't disagree with noir posting about the conflict, since I think it's his fate being decided and therefore his choice whether he keeps it private or not. And people are wondering about the recent conflict anyhow, so trying to keep it secret seems useless.

[mohrds]

Originally posted by Alycone
I'm kinda surprised the mods haven't stepped in on this one much, if only to ask pissed-off people not to pm chris until they know more about what's happening.

We (the moderators) all get pissed off PMs on a regular basis. I just write it off as one of the fringe benefits of volunteering my time as a moderator

As for this thread, it has been very civil. Most mods have been following very closely so it doesn't get out of hand, and then discussing it behind the scenes.

Doug

[GreenMarine]

Hmmm, now that I see thee reason why all of this is taking place I must say.......How retarded do we have to be?!?! This is not a big deal at all... Chris can do whatever he likes with HIS network. We are all just along for the ride. If one day he wants to pull the plug for some reason (whatever it may be) then we are all out of luck .... My suggestion would be to not get to involved with the "members" of the forums... As the owner and operator of this site Chris should be respected. However after seeing the posts that he made in the chat room..... It just doesn't look very professional at all... It's like a Major going out and telling one of his Staff NCO's to do something and the SNCO joking back with him. The Major obviously didn't like it so he "whipped the SNCO's butt into shape"... The worst part is that the Major (Chris) talked about Harry with other members on a personal level (i.e. the name calling and "venting)... I can garontee ya that if I heard any of my officers talking bad about me in a way that was unprofessional I would loose almost all respect for them. Sure I would respect thier position and thier "rank", but the more important thing is that they are respected as people. That's when you can really influence someone, when that respect level is there.

As far as this whole thing goes I think that there should be some nice PM's exchanged between Harry and Chris. Harry needs to realize that, like the rest of us, Chris and the Mod's are here to correct us when we get outta line. However, the Mods and Administrators should never get personal with members... If the members leave then what do ya have??? Just a pile of $10,000 computer parts with vBulletin and noone to comunicate with. See we need eachother. Just like the military. The Officers Need the Enlisted to support the military and do all the actual work. But we need the officers to provide structure and leadership... It's a balanced cycle... Just like this... The pilots know how to fly the plane, I know how to fix it... Without both of us ya don't have anything... I need to lay off the analogies Well all I'm trying to say is that lets all get along and enjoy the time here. It's not a big deal when someone misunderstands ya. It's the internet, it's gonna happen. Harry and Chris, you two need to make up and try to learn eachother's personalities a little better. IN PRIVATE.... There should be no influence from anyone at all... This started between them two, and it needs to finish with them.

There's my lecture

[GreenMarine]

I know I'm not the best person to talk about arguing on here ... But I've tried to change and I hope that some people have noticed it. We all need an overhaul everynow and then..

[Darksied-X]

I've waited until I heard both sides to post, so here's my $.02.

This seems like nothing more than an escalating overreaction to a simple miscommunication by the both of you, with some possible (though not neccissarily intentional) outside instigation on both ends.

So, the questions now is how to reslove it, and I think there are really only two valid choices. One, you both could stop all of this right now by apologizing to each other, shaking hands, calling it done, and buying each other a beer at Reading next year. Or second, you both could take a few weeks away from the site to cool off. The problem with this is that though you may both cool off, the issue would not be resolved and you would both continually habor anger towards each other. Now, considering you both have already apoligized to the other on several occations since this began, I think you've both already made a step in the right direction, but it's up to the both of you to finish it.

Personally, I would hate to see either of you go anywhere for any length of time, let alone permanently, or have any kind of ongoing conflict. And I think the majority of the members here would agree.

Chris, although you and I really haven't interacted much during my time here, and I really can't say that I know you very well, I do want you to know that I have nothing but the utmost respect for you, for the time, money, and effort you have put into making this place what it is.

Harry, you and I have interacted on serveral occations, and taken more than a few shots at each other, and it was all in good fun. You have a way of livening things up around here, and I would hate for this place to lose that.

Finally, to anyone who may have jumped to conclusions and tried to place the blame on someone for something I feel there was no blame to place, I think you owe some apologies, out of respect if nothing else.

I sincerely hope that the two of you can put an end to this quickly and amicably, and that all of us can use this as a lesson to remember that in an environment like that, personallity clashes are enevitable, just don't rush to pass judgement.

But like I said, this is nothing but my $.02, take it as you will.

[LarryIII]

Originally posted by GreenMarineSVX
Hmmm, .. It's like a Major going out and telling one of his Staff NCO's to do something and the SNCO joking back with him. The Major obviously didn't like it so he "whipped the SNCO's butt into shape"... The worst part is that the Major (Chris) talked about Harry with other members on a personal level (i.e. the name calling and "venting)... I can garontee ya that if I heard any of my officers talking bad about me in a way that was unprofessional I would loose almost all respect for them. Sure I would respect thier position and thier "rank", but the more important thing is that they are respected as people. That's when you can really influence someone, when that respect level is there.

Just like the military. The Officers Need the Enlisted to support the military and do all the actual work. But we need the officers to provide structure and leadership... It's a balanced cycle... Just like this... The pilots know how to fly the plane, I know how to fix it... Without both of us ya don't have anything...

There's my lecture

Chris,

After that speech, I can't understand why you don't get more girls.

[Seraph]

Originally posted by civic_slayer
I don't want to be anymore a part of this than I already am, but I was there and feel like I'm part of it because of this. I just hope that once this is all over and done with, everything will be peachy again.

Keith

Keith,

There are times you have to know what/when not to type stuff on the IRC.


Everyone:

Harry is not banned from the forums or the IRC. I can confirm the IRC. There is no ban list on the server/#svx.

Being banned from #SVX(IRC Channel) and being banned from the site are two different things. The operation of #svx and the forums are two different things too. #SVX is a fast paced real time chat and you have to catch up on things quickly.

All I can say currently is that Chris is takeing his time off IRC and the forums and ANYONE else who might need a time out should do so for a week or two.




Lwin

[Seraph]

Originally posted by Darksied-X
I've waited until I heard both sides to post, so here's my $.02.

This seems like nothing more than an escalating overreaction to a simple miscommunication by the both of you, with some possible (though not neccissarily intentional) outside instigation on both ends.

I fully agreed. At the same time, it has been going on for a while now. It is my opinion that both sides are stressed over some of their own personal issues and they may be trying to take it out on each other

[GreenMarine]

Originally posted by LarryIII


Chris,

After that speech, I can't understand why you don't get more girls.

Hehehehe, I turn almost everything into an analogy

When all else fails, I use butter.

[Andy]

Originally posted by GreenMarineSVX



Hehehehe, I turn almost everything into an analogy

In that case, this is for you

http://www.enotalone.com/article/2236.html

[LarryIII]

Originally posted by Porter
When all else fails, I use butter.

I didn't know Mike Meyers drove an SVX and was on this site as Porter.