True Power of the EG33 ?

Wikedjuggalo · #1 10-25-2007, 05:03 PM

O.k I have been wondering, without biased statements, how powerful is the EG33 when compared to other engines of the time, and todays engines. I know it is not a viper engine or anything(Boy would that be fun) but I was wondering also what kind of power can be unleashed, I know someone has done a Supercharge but what kind of improvement did it make? How much horse power are we looking at? I know there are treads on the power of the EG33 but I was looking for a more of a comparison and also how much further are we from achieving the 500 hp mark or greater?

nextse7en · #2 10-25-2007, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Wikedjuggalo

O.k I have been wondering, without biased statements, how powerful is the EG33 when compared to other engines of the time, and todays engines. I know it is not a viper engine or anything(Boy would that be fun) but I was wondering also what kind of power can be unleashed, I know someone has done a Supercharge but what kind of improvement did it make? How much horse power are we looking at? I know there are treads on the power of the EG33 but I was looking for a more of a comparison and also how much further are we from achieving the 500 hp mark or greater?

For the early 90's it was an upper middle class spec engine - pretty middle of the road now.

How much power can be unleashed? How much money do you want to spend? for 20k you could pull 1000 hp or more out of it. It wouldn't be drivable by mere mortals, but you could do it.

Still figuring out how much of an improvement supercharging makes, there is still a lot to be worked out - intakes, cams, exaust, porting. The good people working on this project are blazing new trails with this engine, and its still touch and go. I'm hearing 300-375 hp out of the supercharged among us, but doubtless this number will climb.

500 hp isn't far off at all - I think we'll see it by spring of next year, the new MAF adapter code that LAN is selling really opens up the playing field for us. I feel young tom will probably achieve this soon, LAN will defiantly be far beyond that with his secret alcohol breathing engine. A twin turbo setup is probably not that far off, now that our engines can measure the amount of air required. Lot of people who didn't want to muss with a stand alone engine management system can now keep the stock (and excellent) ECU and achive some most excellent HP numbers.

-Patrick

Wikedjuggalo · #3 10-25-2007, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by nextse7en

For the early 90's it was an upper middle class spec engine - pretty middle of the road now.

How much power can be unleashed? How much money do you want to spend? for 20k you could pull 1000 hp or more out of it. It wouldn't be drivable by mere mortals, but you could do it.

Still figuring out how much of an improvement supercharging makes, there is still a lot to be worked out - intakes, cams, exaust, porting. The good people working on this project are blazing new trails with this engine, and its still touch and go. I'm hearing 300-375 hp out of the supercharged among us, but doubtless this number will climb.

500 hp isn't far off at all - I think we'll see it by spring of next year, the new MAF adapter code that LAN is selling really opens up the playing field for us. I feel young tom will probably achieve this soon, LAN will defiantly be far beyond that with his secret alcohol breathing engine. A twin turbo setup is probably not that far off, now that our engines can measure the amount of air required. Lot of people who didn't want to muss with a stand alone engine management system can now keep the stock (and excellent) ECU and achive some most excellent HP numbers.

-Patrick

Thank you, what kind of 1/4 mile are we looking at with all this new stuff?

NiftySVX · #4 10-25-2007, 05:33 PM

This is a good question I like to throw around in my head from time to time.

The EG33 was very advanced at its time. Comperable engines of the day would be the Nissan VE/VG series, the hottest of those came out in 1992 (VE30DE) and was a 3.0 litre V6 and had DOHC like our motors but it had variable valve timing. The Mitsubishi engine in the 3000GT was also a 3.0 and it made well under 200 hp, I wanna say in the 160 hp range. (someone will correct me here). Both of those engines came in a twin turbo configuration that landed them right around 300. The closest engine, in my opinion, came in the 1993.5 Toyota supra. it was also a 3.0 litre, but it was an inline 6, and came in right around 200 hp in non turbo form. It was an impressive engine, and was still in use until very recently.

Basically, our engine had all the goodies of the time (well, the whole car did for that matter) to match it up technology wise to the Nissan 300ZX which came on the market in 1989, the 3000GT (I can't remember the year it came out) and even pretty close to the Supra which came out a year later.

The engine is solid, but large. I am sure that the engineers at fuji would love to modify that engine for use in vehicles like the Outback and Tribeca, but its external dimensions are simply too large to fit in any of the existing platforms. I think that the tribeca should have been given its own platform like the SVX got, but I don't think fuji wanted to add the cost of a major retool it would take to produce a completely new model.

Let's get everyone's thoughts on this, and someone correct me if I got any info mixed up!

NikFu S. · #5 10-25-2007, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by NiftySVX

The Mitsubishi engine in the 3000GT was also a 3.0 and it made well under 200 hp, I wanna say in the 160 hp range. (someone will correct me here).

SOHC engine made 160, DOHC was closer to 220.

NiftySVX · #6 10-25-2007, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by nextse7en

For the early 90's it was an upper middle class spec engine - pretty middle of the road now.

How much power can be unleashed? How much money do you want to spend? for 20k you could pull 1000 hp or more out of it. It wouldn't be drivable by mere mortals, but you could do it.

Still figuring out how much of an improvement supercharging makes, there is still a lot to be worked out - intakes, cams, exaust, porting. The good people working on this project are blazing new trails with this engine, and its still touch and go. I'm hearing 300-375 hp out of the supercharged among us, but doubtless this number will climb.

500 hp isn't far off at all - I think we'll see it by spring of next year, the new MAF adapter code that LAN is selling really opens up the playing field for us. I feel young tom will probably achieve this soon, LAN will defiantly be far beyond that with his secret alcohol breathing engine. A twin turbo setup is probably not that far off, now that our engines can measure the amount of air required. Lot of people who didn't want to muss with a stand alone engine management system can now keep the stock (and excellent) ECU and achive some most excellent HP numbers.

-Patrick

I did forget to mention that our computer (both ECU and TCU) were radically advanced at the time and they were among the most advanced ever produced. The engine has potential, our biggest hurdle is that we have to start with an engine already set up, instead of intercepting it while in development and making a monster out of it while it was still a bunch of drawings on some fuji table, like Nissan and Toyota did with theirs for their hot rod versions. In the past couple of years, we have gotten some really smart and resourceful folks getting their heads in this, and I am sure we will have a few guys out there that will finally be able to answer us when we ask them exactly what the potential of this unit is.

Wikedjuggalo · #7 10-25-2007, 05:49 PM

so compared to the DOHC and SOHC of the time the EG33 Overpowered them (non-turbo ones)?

NiftySVX · #8 10-25-2007, 05:56 PM

Yes, but it was a little larger in displacement.

Evil One · #9 10-25-2007, 06:06 PM

Just a statement on looking at quarter mile times as an indicator of power.
These cars are not quarter milers.
Yes, you can run them on the quarter... but that is not where they shine.
You can autocross them... but that is not where they shine.
They are cross country touring cars.
Serious highway mile eaters.
I honestly believe that the times turned in by them so far do not do justice to the actual power the engines make.
They are big, heavy, soft cars.

Jim

svxual · #10 10-25-2007, 06:19 PM

i agree with 'Fomogo' i use mine 320km plus daily its a true comfort cruiser , i can drive the trip which has all types of driving conditions at a constant 100kph i have travelled with many others and driven many other cars on this road and i agree and everyone who has driven my svx agrees you couldnt get a better tourer for the value that we get in our svx's.. iv had a few races on this road from my sons 600hp honda my dads lotus neighbours bmws, fords, mercs, none can come close to me for handling/power combination of the SVX

Wikedjuggalo · #11 10-25-2007, 06:24 PM

I am not saying that our car was built to race and do 1/4, if it was I assume it would be way lighter and that much other stuff would be different. I was wondering what kind of improvement the turbochargers will bring.

NikFu S. · #12 10-25-2007, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Wikedjuggalo

I am not saying that our car was built to race and do 1/4, if it was I assume it would be way lighter and that much other stuff would be different. I was wondering what kind of improvement the turbochargers will bring.

Turbos will bring one improvement, more speed. How much speed depends on how much boost pressure, and how well it is tuned. It's not very clear cut at this point, and it's expensive.

Sky's the limit just like any other car, if your money is long enough to reach the clouds.

sicksubie · #13 10-25-2007, 10:50 PM

I will weigh in here since I have one of the higher powered eg33's. $20,000 would still put you short of 1000hp. My motor has $3100 in internals, $7500 for the blower kit, plus YT's labor. I am over halfway to that $20k mark and a VERY far cry from 1000hp at the crank. I personally think that the best way to make big power will be a turbo (maybe twin) set up. Now that we have cracked the ECU there is a world of possibilities. My goal for next year is to come as close to 400whp as possible (15psi, methanol, twin intakes, and I should be somewhat close) with the stage III.

WestCoastSVX · #14 10-26-2007, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by svxual

i agree with 'Fomogo' i use mine 320km plus daily its a true comfort cruiser , i can drive the trip which has all types of driving conditions at a constant 100kph i have travelled with many others and driven many other cars on this road and i agree and everyone who has driven my svx agrees you couldnt get a better tourer for the value that we get in our svx's.. iv had a few races on this road from my sons 600hp honda my dads lotus neighbours bmws, fords, mercs, none can come close to me for handling/power combination of the SVX

Agreed! When using this car for what it was built for (long distance high speed touring), it's rank and status are elevated much higher even by today's standards. There are few cars on the road that can match it for comfort, performance, and practicality under these conditions.

And when I say performance, I don't just mean on a relaxing 80mph highway cruise. From 60-100, or even 100-??? this car will best almost anything on the road. The few that are faster in that range will almost certainly get worse gas mileage, cost much, much more, and likely won't be able to drive that way in rain or snow while the SVX still can.

With all due respect and admiration for the growing number that are racing their SVX in autocross or 1/4 mile drags, the greatest motorsports accomplishment with the SVX came before the car was even for sale. When Ken Knight drove a stock SVX to victory in the Alcan 5000 Rally in 1991. This was over 5,000 miles from Seattle to the Arctic Circle in the dead of winter. The feat was mentioned in one of Subaru's early SVX ads.

Unfortunately for a lot of us in our daily routine we don't have a commute that lets the SVX really shine. It is tempting to wish for the thrill of a quicker start off the line at stoplights, or to go down to the local drag strip and post some quick times. But when we do get a chance to take off on a nice long weekend drive on a empty highway, maybe with some nice curves thrown in, we forget all about that stuff and just enjoy the drive.

Landshark · #15 10-26-2007, 10:18 AM

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Unfortunately for a lot of us in our daily routine we don't have a commute that lets the SVX really shine. It is tempting to wish for the thrill of a quicker start off the line at stoplights, or to go down to the local drag strip and post some quick times.

that's pretty much why i sold mine - no sense having an awesome GT highway cruiser if 99% of my driving is city/suburban traffic. i needed something to get off the line quickly and slice through traffic.

the roadtrips i did take in the SVX were great, though.