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So for me the injection the SVX needs most is power. I would dread to think what figure the SVX would post in the 0-100-0 dash, which for me defines what all cars need, power with control. I'll bet most small turbodiesels these days would hammer it.

That's sad Joe.
Problem is he slows down too much for the Irish corners. They see him coming.
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I've been on the track driving with a number of different types of vehicles and, although my SVX by no means is the fastest car on the track, it surprises a lot of people. Typically, I run pretty strong against the stock 2 ltr. WRX, the E36 BMW M3's, the stock Acura RSX-S. Braking is actually quite good, and whether it is that I'm a little braver than my fellow amateurs, but I can frequently pick up some distance on other cars braking into turns.

There are all sorts of cars out there that people modify take to the track. I've seen a Saab 96 at the track, the driver having a ball. I've also seen late model Ford Crown Vic's with the heavy duty suspension and hi-po V-8 and V-6 Mustangs. My instructor at one event drove a '94 Legacy GT Turbo, not exactly a fire breather. Criticisms about lack of perfect track adaption can be made about most cars, but people still drive them, have a lot of fun and become attached to them. SVX's need a little work to become competent at the track, but once that work is done, they are surprising fast and give the requisite fun factor
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Old 01-28-2007, 05:19 AM
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So for me the injection the SVX needs most is power. I would dread to think what figure the SVX would post in the 0-100-0 dash, which for me defines what all cars need, power with control. I'll bet most small turbodiesels these days would hammer it.




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Sad, but true.
Wanna bet. I'l drive my SVX, you choose any small diesel and it will be sorted on a road circuit.
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Wanna bet. I'l drive my SVX, you choose any small diesel and it will be sorted on a road circuit.
Ah, you misunderstand, Trevor. Purposely, no doubt.

What I said was the 0-100-0 times. Not a circuit or a road.

And I am talking about the 130-150 hp common rail direct injection engines of around 2 litres.

The point I'm making is the SVX does not have a lot of horses in hand over humbler machinery these days. To live up to its looks and its image and overcome the inertia of its considerable bulk, it needs 300 hp.

That's all folks.

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So for me the injection the SVX needs most is power. I would dread to think what figure the SVX would post in the 0-100-0 dash, which for me defines what all cars need, power with control. I'll bet most small turbodiesels these days would hammer it.
But, those small turbodiesels are probably 5-speeds and so is my SVX (along with many others), and I don't think they would get hammered. I think the performance of the SVXi lives up to the looks of the car. That is why so many of us have made the mods we have made. The typical NA SVXi can pull a quarter mile in 14.5-15.0 seconds, that translates into a power to weight ratio of about 15-16 lbs/wbhp (9.5 kg/kw) Don't know many 150 hp (advertised) turbodiesels that weigh in at 2100-2200 lbs (driveline loss). Braking, well, it's a heavy car, but the right pads, and fluid, and it stops pretty well.

Even on the street, nothing matches the feel of a responsive engine hooked directly to the wheels. The instant response to the touch of the foot, the little coughs during real engine braking. That's what make a real driving machine. I think the lack of a manual transmission spelled the doom of the SVX. Granted, driving in stop and go, bumper to bumper traffic is very unpleasant, but out on the nice unpopulated stretch of road with some good curves (or the track), the 5MT (or 6) SVXi is a joy.
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Old 01-28-2007, 09:22 PM
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The typical NA SVXi can pull a quarter mile in 14.5-15.0 seconds
That's giving them a little more credit than they deserve. Getting below 15 with a N/A SVX is pretty hard, Even for manual SVXi.
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Old 01-29-2007, 04:39 AM
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Young Tom got 14.5 in his Ebony. He got 14.9 in mine, treating it very gently, the first and only time he drove it. Said he could probably get down to 14.5 if he abused it a little bit. Even I, who had never driven a drag strip before in my life, dropping the clutch at maybe 2000 rpm, got a 15.1.
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Old 01-29-2007, 06:30 AM
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But, those small turbodiesels are probably 5-speeds and so is my SVX (along with many others), and I don't think they would get hammered. I think the performance of the SVXi lives up to the looks of the car. That is why so many of us have made the mods we have made. The typical NA SVXi can pull a quarter mile in 14.5-15.0 seconds, that translates into a power to weight ratio of about 15-16 lbs/wbhp (9.5 kg/kw) Don't know many 150 hp (advertised) turbodiesels that weigh in at 2100-2200 lbs (driveline loss). Braking, well, it's a heavy car, but the right pads, and fluid, and it stops pretty well.

Even on the street, nothing matches the feel of a responsive engine hooked directly to the wheels. The instant response to the touch of the foot, the little coughs during real engine braking. That's what make a real driving machine. I think the lack of a manual transmission spelled the doom of the SVX. Granted, driving in stop and go, bumper to bumper traffic is very unpleasant, but out on the nice unpopulated stretch of road with some good curves (or the track), the 5MT (or 6) SVXi is a joy.
Those small turbodiesels I'm thinking of, like the Alfa 159 1.9/150hp or 2.4/200hp,
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/road_tests/index.htm?id=203
they actually have six speeds. Kerb weight around 3300-3500 lbs.
Just for comparison:

SVX --3580lbs--230hp@5.4K --228nm@4.4K ---0-60 7.3s-- 1/4 in 15.4
1.9jtd-3300lbs--150hp@4K --320nm@2K --0-60 9.1s --1/4 ?
2.4jtd-3520lbs--200hp@4K --400nm@2K --0-60 8.1s --1/4 ?

Like all diesels, they are slow off the mark, but they could haul a$$ for America once rolling.

The part that needs to be taken note of are the torque figures;
SVX 228@ 4500 rpm
2.4 jtd 400@ 2000 rpm

Torque is a measure of the twisting moment at the crank and thus at the wheels = ability to shift weight in a hurry = whooooooshhh!!

The 0-60 figures don't tell the whole story here. Even a well driven [including you, Trevor ] SVX would get it hard to shake one of these off its tail, and might even come second with a suitably skilled driver in the 2.4 td.

The SVX needs either 200kgs [450lbs] off its lardy butt or 100 hp more under the hood to keep the crown shiny and the proles back in the distance.

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Young Tom got 14.5 in his Ebony. He got 14.9 in mine, treating it very gently, the first and only time he drove it. Said he could probably get down to 14.5 if he abused it a little bit. Even I, who had never driven a drag strip before in my life, dropping the clutch at maybe 2000 rpm, got a 15.1.
But how many others out there can do it? Avpoww for example only got a 16.2 out of his 5 spd.. I just wouldn't call it typical is all.[shrug]
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There is a reason john only got a 16 out of his 5mt...

#1 he doesn't know how to drive the car properly

#2 He was having a couple issues with his car at the time.

I doubt I will drag my 5mt I am building right now but I can almost gaurentee a sub 14 sec car out of it BONE STOCK. An automatic is just push the pedal and go where as a 5/6mt takes the ability to control the launch and be able to shift the car in a split second. Every car is different so you need to know your car. When I took that 1 run in shotgunslade's car... I hadn't touched that thing since I did his 5mt swap. I was just going by the seat of my pants. With some more seat time I could have that at a sub 14.5 car. When I build it, I build it for speed and reliability and I know what I am doing

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There is a reason john only got a 16 out of his 5mt...

#1 he doesn't know how to drive the car properly

#2 He was having a couple issues with his car at the time.

I doubt I will drag my 5mt I am building right now but I can almost gaurentee a sub 14 sec car out of it BONE STOCK. An automatic is just push the pedal and go where as a 5/6mt takes the ability to control the launch and be able to shift the car in a split second. Every car is different so you need to know your car. When I took that 1 run in shotgunslade's car... I hadn't touched that thing since I did his 5mt swap. I was just going by the seat of my pants. With some more seat time I could have that at a sub 14.5 car. When I build it, I build it for speed and reliability and I know what I am doing

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We all know you know your stuff young tom, I wasn't claiming differently. But sub 14's aren't happening in a bone stock 5 spd. unless you gut the car like benebobs. I drove Johns car at Reading last year for a good while and it was definitely lacking something so I was already suspecting he had something wrong. Now come on Tom, Having an auto isn't just push and go and you know it. I've experimented with launches and techniques at the track and there are definitely things to be done to assure a good time with an auto. I think I still have .1-.2 to cut off my times, I just need a little more work on my launch. I can't wait for the end of this year when my car is done up and hopefully we'll both have sub 14 cars.
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not really... Launching an auto SVX without major mods is simple... Brake block it and when the 3rd yellow comes on you drop the gas and let off the brakes... There is no tequnique with an auto except R/T. Why do you think bracket racers have autos?? I ran sub 14's with my ebony while it was basically bone stock... all it had was an exhaust that was WAY too big for it and actually made me lose power. Its all driver with an MT

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not really... Launching an auto SVX without major mods is simple... Brake block it and when the 3rd yellow comes on you drop the gas and let off the brakes... There is no tequnique with an auto except R/T. Why do you think bracket racers have autos?? I ran sub 14's with my ebony while it was basically bone stock... all it had was an exhaust that was WAY too big for it and actually made me lose power. Its all driver with an MT

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OK, When you say sub do you mean low 14's, Or under 14? Trust me my friend, Road Demon has a technique to it. It will push through the brakes if you push too hard, So you've got to hit the sweet spot for a great launch. You've seen it run and you know it hauls ass(no 1V4 then) and I wasn't even driving. What would have happened if I was?? But seriously, Will your silver be up and running by Reading?? I want a ride in it, Just this time Supercharged. I still haven't gotten to ride in a supercharged SVX and I've seen 3 of them!
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My silver is up an running. I just never drive it esp this time of year.

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