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Old 03-30-2005, 07:28 PM
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Hey, back in the early 70s, the era that spawned Vegas and Pintos and Chevettes and Mustang IIs, it wasn't a matter of fuel price, but in many instances, availability. We'd all better cross our fingers.

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Old 03-30-2005, 08:11 PM
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I recall those early Dodge Colts..with the rabbit levers..explained to me by a shark of a salesman..'thats for goin fast son'...I passed that car up..surprise surprise...and ended up with a 83 Honda Civic..which I thought was the fastest thing on wheels..lol til I got blown away by a newer Dodge Colt.. damn you karma! tho Im quite sure that one was 'sans' the rabbit lever
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Old 03-30-2005, 09:26 PM
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The Cobra's price will be $40-$42k depending on options. Best bet on a demand based markup when they first drop.

Ford wasn't crazy enough to go after the ZO6 with a Mustang. That would take such a godawful amount of power to make up for the design disadvantage it would be hard to make streetable.

The Cobra will no doubt be competing with the 2006 GTO Judge (480hp). Now that will be some fun.
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Old 03-30-2005, 09:35 PM
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The Cobra's price will be $40-$42k depending on options. Best bet on a demand based markup when they first drop.

Ford wasn't crazy enough to go after the ZO6 with a Mustang. That would take such a godawful amount of power to make up for the design disadvantage it would be hard to make streetable.

The Cobra will no doubt be competing with the 2006 GTO Judge (480hp). Now that will be some fun.
A GTO Judge?? It's just amazing how all these guys are coming back. I think the Judge is going to be a hit mostly with a 38-48 age group. The ones that can afford them will be snapping up that baby they couldn't afford then.
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Old 03-31-2005, 01:25 AM
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The Cobra's price will be $40-$42k depending on options. Best bet on a demand based markup when they first drop.

Ford wasn't crazy enough to go after the ZO6 with a Mustang. That would take such a godawful amount of power to make up for the design disadvantage it would be hard to make streetable.

The Cobra will no doubt be competing with the 2006 GTO Judge (480hp). Now that will be some fun.
Another GM enthusiast that can't admit that this new Cobra just might have something for their beloved "Viper Killer" Z06......big surprise. "It costs $30k less....how can it possibly be as good?"
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Old 03-31-2005, 06:44 AM
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Yeah, I remember now... The lines!! Awww mannnn... The lines. And the stations would close. Remrmber that? I think Carter was in office at the time. One of those guys... They ticked off the middle east over Isreal and the embargo'd us. Forgot about that.
Tricky Dick Nixon, actually. There was an OPEC embargo of petroleum sales to the United States; this following the peak (read: beginning of the decline) of domestic oil production in 1970. (Yes, 1970.) As a result, Detroit, which had gleefully been marketing size and horsepower for a decade, took a hit from more efficient, better made imports from which it is yet to fully rocover.

Collectively, we as a nation have a very short memory. Witness the Big Three's marketing today. I like the new Cobra... alot, (tho' I go along with whoever inferred that "Mustang Cobra" is a goofy model designation). But automakers had better take to heart the lessons of the early 70s, and soon.

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Another GM enthusiast that can't admit that this new Cobra just might have something for their beloved "Viper Killer" Z06......big surprise. "It costs $30k less....how can it possibly be as good?"
Hmm...well let's see here...500hp/500lbft vs. 450hp/430lbft. So the ZO6 wins in power. 29XXlb vs. 35XXlb. So the ZO6 wins in weight. 50/50 weight distribution and full independent suspension vs. 55/45 weight distribution and solid rear axle. ZO6 wins in handling.

Am I missing something here? The Cobra was never meant to compete with a Vette of any kind. Regardless of power levels, it would need serious weight reduction and a competely different suspension setup for it to be a fair fight. The Cobra would have a hell of a time keeping up with a Z51 (400hp) Vette in any kind of circuit. Let alone a ZO6. Even on the strip, it's weight difference would give the Vette a huge advantage. I would be willing to bet that the new Cobra can maybe JUST BARELY edge out the REGULAR Vette in the quarter mile.

It goes with the old cliche - the Cobra driver would be "bringing a knife to a gunfight"
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Old 03-31-2005, 11:56 AM
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Hmm...well let's see here...500hp/500lbft vs. 450hp/430lbft. So the ZO6 wins in power. 29XXlb vs. 35XXlb. So the ZO6 wins in weight. 50/50 weight distribution and full independent suspension vs. 55/45 weight distribution and solid rear axle. ZO6 wins in handling.

Thats funny, because your statistics are totally wrong. Its at more than 450/450 and SVT is famous for underrating their cars- theres a rumor floating around that Shelby himself slipped and said its at 520/520 but thats unconfimed. At any rate, its been quoted that they dont call it the GT500 for nothing. Weights are more like 31XX (estimated) vs 34XX (GT weight, cars are very similar so its prolly a safe bet that its gonna be at or near this weight). As for suspension, its pretty much the same one under the FR500C Grand Am cup cars that have been tearing that series up on their first year out against M3s, 996/997s, and CTS-Vs, so you know its gonna be able to track/handle VERY well. Archaic technology doesnt always mean worse, I mean the Vette itself has used leaf springs for many years. It has 14"/13" brakes just like the Z06. I have a good feeling that this car is gonna surprise quite a few people once they roll out all the specs.
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Actually, the 69 428 Mach 1 was also available without a shaker hood. There was also a drag pack option with lower gears, better rods, etc. My 69 Cobra Jet had the shaker. The shaker was painted black from the factory. Unlike the cheap plastic 'replica' shakers used today, the original was cast in aluminum. I had the scoop polished. Looked great dancing in that flat black hood.

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I'm not a fan of the Cobra being used as a model designation. In the original Mustangs it was an engine designation.

The Cobra Jet package consisted of a "shaker" air cleaner that protruded through the hood (except the 429 Super Cobra Jet which had a hood mounted scoop).

The GT series was nice. There was three catagories of GT
the GT, The Shelby GT-350 and the Shelby GT-500.

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...theres a rumor floating around that Shelby himself slipped and said its at 520/520 but thats unconfimed.
At his age, I'd be amazed if that's all he slipped up on.

I hope I am as hip and with it as he is when I am his age.
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Right,

Ford has a history of both under rating and over rating power. The '69s were considered under-rated. The Lightning seems under-rated. Those over-rated cobras on the late '90s really cost Ford some reputation. The late super charged cobra was considered a bit under-rated, just to be sure they didn't get into trouble again. With dynos so common today, the truth is easy to find. That just wasn't so in the heyday of musclecars.

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I hope I am as hip and with it as he is when I am his age.
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theres a rumor floating around that Shelby himself slipped and said its at 520/520 but thats unconfimed.
I would bet that the car will be pushing 500hp. These guys have the luxary of designing after the new Viper and Z06 have been released, and I think they'll push it. Saleen is planning a S281E with the smaller 4.6L block and supercharger to put out 500hp. The Cobra has a larger block and eight more valves. I am thinking that 450 is probably a serious underestimate.
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For a number of months now the Ford boys have been selling 5.0 OHC crate engines. A little different block with 1mm liners vs. the 2mm liners the 4.6 uses. Comes with EFI or four Webers. The EFI version comes with a full harness and standalone ECU. Drop in for a tick under fifteen large. EFI rated @ 420 hp, carb version around 390. These are NA engines so a blown 5.4 should have little trouble exceeding 500hp.
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