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Old 02-09-2009, 07:05 AM
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Re: How to pull over a motorcyclist

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ok, read the rules of the road, red and blue mean pull over, or they will attempt to pull you over using any means neccisary, you may get away if you run, but you may get hurt if you do. besides innocent people don't run.
any means necessary....????
This kind of "compliance" with police methodology harks back to "Wanted, Dead or Alive" times. If you give them this kind of license in what they perceive is the pursuit of their duty, you will have nowhere to look for justice if some day your kid is shot behind the wheel for breaking a red light.

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The officer knew the outcome of his decision before he pulled directly in the path of the motorcyclist, its just lucky the guy had dumb luck and was alright. Wish we knew what he did though....
I've looked at it many times. It doesn't matter what he did. The cop gave him no time to react. The biker tried to turn if you watch carefully, but it was too late.

Ask yourself if the cop would have tried this if the perp was in a corvette doing the same speed. Or a truck. Would he? You bet he wouldn't. But because the cop is protected by two tonnes of steel, he can place the nose of his vehicle in front of 200kgs of a bike, and know that he himself will not be hurt.
The cop had room and time to turn his car completely sideways to the bike, totally blocking the lane. Did he do that? No, because he knew the bike would penetrate the side of the car and he would be hurt. At the last minute he stuck the nose of the car in the biker's path, knowing the bike could not crush the front of the car.

This is unjustifiable use of deadly force. Unless the biker was leaving the scene of a drive-by shooting and had a passenger on the back with an automatic assault weapon, there could be no justification for this action.

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Re: How to pull over a motorcyclist

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any means necessary....????
This kind of "compliance" with police methodology harks back to "Wanted, Dead or Alive" times. If you give them this kind of license in what they perceive is the pursuit of their duty, you will have nowhere to look for justice if some day your kid is shot behind the wheel for breaking a red light.



I've looked at it many times. It doesn't matter what he did. The cop gave him no time to react. The biker tried to turn if you watch carefully, but it was too late.

Ask yourself if the cop would have tried this if the perp was in a corvette doing the same speed. Or a truck. Would he? You bet he wouldn't. But because the cop is protected by two tonnes of steel, he can place the nose of his vehicle in front of 200kgs of a bike, and know that he himself will not be hurt.
The cop had room and time to turn his car completely sideways to the bike, totally blocking the lane. Did he do that? No, because he knew the bike would penetrate the side of the car and he would be hurt. At the last minute he stuck the nose of the car in the biker's path, knowing the bike could not crush the front of the car.

This is unjustifiable use of deadly force. Unless the biker was leaving the scene of a drive-by shooting and had a passenger on the back with an automatic assault weapon, there could be no justification for this action.


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any means necessary....????
This kind of "compliance" with police methodology harks back to "Wanted, Dead or Alive" times. If you give them this kind of license in what they perceive is the pursuit of their duty, you will have nowhere to look for justice if some day your kid is shot behind the wheel for breaking a red light.



I've looked at it many times. It doesn't matter what he did. The cop gave him no time to react. The biker tried to turn if you watch carefully, but it was too late.

Ask yourself if the cop would have tried this if the perp was in a corvette doing the same speed. Or a truck. Would he? You bet he wouldn't. But because the cop is protected by two tonnes of steel, he can place the nose of his vehicle in front of 200kgs of a bike, and know that he himself will not be hurt.
The cop had room and time to turn his car completely sideways to the bike, totally blocking the lane. Did he do that? No, because he knew the bike would penetrate the side of the car and he would be hurt. At the last minute he stuck the nose of the car in the biker's path, knowing the bike could not crush the front of the car.

This is unjustifiable use of deadly force. Unless the biker was leaving the scene of a drive-by shooting and had a passenger on the back with an automatic assault weapon, there could be no justification for this action.

Agreed, I dont know if you had read my previous posts, but I was in full agreement with you that the cop shouldnt have done that.
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Re: How to pull over a motorcyclist

Different rules apply with a bike. You can ram a car as an officer. You can nudge them, send them off the road, whatever. You can not do that to a rider. The likelyhood of killing them, or causing extreme injury, goes through the roof. Riders refer to cars and their operaters as "cagers" as they are surrounded by a cage, and are virtually invulnerable to a motorcycle. However, on the flip side, a rider is vulnerable to everything, including the rocks your car kicks up, or even the cigarettes you flip out your window. What he did was more dangerous than running over a pedestrian. Would you pull over a bicyclist like that? Even if he was running from the police?
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ok, read the rules of the road, red and blue mean pull over, or they will attempt to pull you over using any means neccisary, you may get away if you run, but you may get hurt if you do. besides innocent people don't run.
Its this mentality that allows police to get away with **** like this. Innocent people do run if they are scared... We don't know the situation, but honestly it doesn't even matter. I am guessing you don't ride, otherwise you may see this differently.

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Its this mentality that allows police to get away with **** like this. Innocent people do run if they are scared... We don't know the situation, but honestly it doesn't even matter. I am guessing you don't ride, otherwise you may see this differently.

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true i don't ride, and i definatly do not think the police are always in the right. i am just stating that you should expect a reaction, if you are going to run from the police expect them to attempt them to stop you. if he had just stopped when they turned on their lights instead of fleeing, it wouldn't have happend.

also you can hear him saying he was running because he had some marijuana in his pocket.
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true i don't ride, and i definatly do not think the police are always in the right. i am just stating that you should expect a reaction, if you are going to run from the police expect them to attempt them to stop you. if he had just stopped when they turned on their lights instead of fleeing, it wouldn't have happend.

also you can hear him saying he was running because he had some marijuana in his pocket.
That says it all. Possession of hash is hardly a capital crime, yet the fool that took him off the bike could have killed him. Without knowing why he was running.

That man should be thrown off the force for lack of judgement. The police are meant to uphold the law, but not at any cost.

I hope the pot smoking biker sues the pants off that cop and the police department for back injuries or something. They need to learn that they can't just kill people for traffic infringements.

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