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Re: Re: 4.11 diffs
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Quote "The 5mt is a true 5 speed, at least all the ones I have or had are/were. Subaru had the 5mt that could take the torque of the EG33, they chose not to use it because the tuning of the engine was for an auto and the job to rematch to a 5mt would not be suitable for the limited US market it was aimed at, since most want auto. All I am saying here is forget the 5mt solution because the engine is not suitable; so another sub optimal solution. I have tried many permutations and have arrived at the conclusion Subaru did a really good job with the design and no backyard engineer is going to do better." Seems to be a very definitive statement on the 5mt. If this is incorrect from the experience of owners who have done the conversion, it must cast doubts on the authors accuracy ragarding the 4eat
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thanks for the link to the yahoo site.. that's a pretty good post. i'm not sure if can wrap my brain around what he's saying about the 4.11's though.. it kinda seems like they put the transmission in a position (hey that rhymes) where it isn't able to get all the power it needs from the engine.. not sure if that's the right track or not. well anyway, none of this is going to be done until i get the money together, and that could be a few months easily, so i'll have plenty of time to think about it and i'm always delighted to accept input from you folks
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Well whoever believes that 250hp will break the tranny is very much mistaken... Sure it is a semi weak tranny but it is abuse that causes it to break most of the time... If any of ya have read my posts about taking my friend's modded WRX wagon to the track and running 4 people in it on the strip with 6,000 clutch drops.... And his car is at about 300+whp!!! After 32,000miles his car is still going... So what does that tell us??? Nothing, because he abuses the hell out of his car and it has a crap load of mods done to it as well... My 5 speed had a little over 6,000 miles on it when I put it in... Now I'd say that it is around 9,000 miles, and it runs great, shifts fine, and is a pleasure to drive!!! But if you are going for the Auto with a higher final drive I'd say go for it!!! I'm really courious to see how it runs because that is what I wanted to do before I did my 5 speed swap... Good luck with whatever ya do!!!
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Also, with my mods I believe that I am very clost to, if not above 250hp... I will find out for sure at Subaru of Gwinett this comming weekend if I get out there in time... Then we can see if 250 hp in an SVX can break a 5mt...
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Well I called the salvage yard for parts today, they seemed slitely confused but their looking. Anyhoo, how do you figure you got 250Hp. Chris? With smack talk like that I'm gona have to hand your ass to ya when we get to Reading ( running out to get some Nos just to make sure). And I'm thinking a 4:11 auto will give a 5 speed a good run, at least I would like to find out. As for the strength of the 5 speeds, I still don't know how I managed to brake 5th gear in my first one but the second tranny is holding up fine, and I do drive pretty hard. The secret is easy launches, they can still be very fast but don't try to do 6,000rom clutch dumps, 230hp is not enough to brake loose 900mm's of rubber from under 3,700lbs, so don't try.
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And if you ask me, anything is still better then the old 4hea...i mean 4eat phil
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Martin Who?
Martin has been a member here since the start. Comes from Ozz.
MRieger , on this board. Harvey.
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You still arent avg out athe drivetrain loss(MASSIVE IN AT AWD) compared to just bad with a 5mt AWD. I still dont see an auto getin down off the line like the 5mt 4.11. Just my thoughts i guess. And you couldnt PAY me to put another 4eat into my car
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just for laughs, what would it cost to put 4.11 gears in the 4EAT?
i'm dumb on this topic - would the differential(s) need changed, too? i'm talking parts and typical labor cost. i'm guessing this would probably be one of the best performance mods for the money.
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to put new final drive gears in a transmission, it needs to come entirely apart. also, the gears in the rear diff need to be swapped, and if you want to retain use of your stock CV axles, you'll need to open your rear diff, pull its guts out, and replace them with the proper ones.
basically the only time when it makes sense to replace your final drive is during a rebuild.. otherwise, you're just doing a pretty unreasonable amount of work.. maybe i'll do some 0-60 times with my stock final drive and then some with the 4.11's.. i won't be able to post any quarter mile times though, since i'm pretty sure the SVX will top 80 in the .25 without third or fourth gear, i'm going to cross the line pegging the rev limiter....... -adam |
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