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Ben, I can't think of one D-stock autoxer I've PM'd, spoken to in-person or interacted with in a thread on NASIOC, I-Club or Clubwrx that has deleted their FSB. Not one. Typically, WRXs and STI's in D-Stock and A-Stock run the 32mm Strano or the 29mm Whiteline FSB's. When you move to STX and STU where suspension mods are almost unlimited, WRX and STI driver's typically drop down to the 25mm Front & Rear sway bars from Cobb. In the ESP and BSP, WRX and STI drivers roll their fenders and stuff 9-10" wide wheels with anything from 275-305 sized tires for ultimate grip - I've ONLY heard of WRX/STI owners in this class (E/BSP) removing their swaybars (either front or rear or BOTH). I'm not here to argue - just speaking from experience as I'm trying to ready both myself and my car for the Subaru Challenge in September (which is the sole purpose of my posts about my WRX - from competition in D-Stock to suspension upgrades). -Chike P.S. Btw, I captured 2nd in D-Stock today with my club. I'm purchasing two high resolution digital pics from a professional photographer that was there which I'll post in the next day or two. Next weekend, I'm putting on my 29mm Whioteline FSB and travelling outside of my region to compete with the Triad club in NC.
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talking to others that DON'T drive subarus. You'll learn much more. about set ups then idiot subaru drivers. Remember a subaru is a very poor excuse for an autox car to begin with.
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Here are a few pics of my car in action yesterday...
These aren't the high res shots by the professional photographer, just pics taken by members of my club for our personal use.
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I'm kind of amazed by this comment as, A) you're autocrossing a subaru, and B) They tend to do fairly well in local competitions. I think you need to take into consideration that SCCA rules are very unrelatable to many of the cars that compete under them. I'm guessing that increased spring rates aren't allowed in his class, so the only thing he can do to increase roll and bump stiffness is to increase the front bar. Turn in may suffer, however the end result may prove positive. Unless you have tried both, you don't know which works better. In classes where upgraded springs are allowed, the turn in response is needed more than the stiffness from the bar. Heck, a second generation eclipse is a pretty crappily designed car as far as suspension goes, however Dennis Grant managed to win with one. Plus, suspension design is a very fickle thing. many times you can design a suspension to be good at one thing, however it will be very poor at another. I'm sure Chike could make his car a autocross only car, but I'm pretty sure that's not what he wants to do. I personally couldn't understand making a car to only compete in parking lots. But that's just me. From what I've seen, designing the suspension to handle road courses works best to create the "best overall" suspension. A road course car must handle high speed and low speed corners, and weight transfer. And how many road race cars similar to a WRX or SVX do you know that don't run swaybars? Because that's a big 0 for me.
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Greg 97 Red SVX LSi clean 96 Black SVX LSi beater 90 Red Eclipse GSX track ho 99 Ford F250 work horse My Locker Last edited by drivemusicnow; 06-19-2006 at 12:55 PM. |
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Only major mods allowed in the stock SCCA classes are: shocks, front swaybar, DOT legal r-comps, panel air filter & a catback exhaust.
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Why would you be amazed by it. How many national champions have used Subaru's for their car of choice? Its less than have won in a Renault Alliance in case you're wondering! I autox what I know and what I like. Maybe you don't talk to the right people. Winners rarely give up their secrets and many of the hill climbers I know do nothing to the stock bar up front. Rear yes but nothing up front aside from a suspension box. Is your manhood suffering too? Go get a bigger bar. I think the Hummer has a 45mm on it!
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I love my Subaru and I'll buy another...'nuff said.
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Yes but they STILL RUN SWAYBARS.. which was my point. You stated that "national level competitors" don't run them at all. I believe Gary Sheehan is the highest level subaru road racer in the US right now, and I've talked to him about the ESX car a few times. Hill climb is different as well. For my eclipse, a larger sway bar in the rear is required, the front remains stock, as that works out best for that car. You claiming that the only people who use larger sway bars are doing it for bragging rights is just not true. oh and http://www.shimmysideways.com/Default.aspx?tabid=48 says hes the fastest SP Subaru at the 05 solo 2s. Looky at the swaybars. I have no bone to pick, but unless you can back your opinions with some tech... I can't see this as being any help to anyone.
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Glad you got some talking with him about another bigger is better car. My point is Chike is running in a stock class. His biggest advantage is an alignment and tires. Anything else is only worth a few hundredths at best. A good driver could delete the front bar and still run just as fast. Heck, maybe you could too. Why don't ya try it.
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-Hillbilie Chike
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On which car? I already have there tough guy! My only question is why do you listen to some but not others when spending money. I guess you just like throwing it into your true manliness rather than something that'll actually make you faster.
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I rarely take the advice from people on car forums unless I've seen a proven track record from them. The advice on the FSB was taken from a Senior Instructor in my SCCA Club who drives a steel grey '06 WRX TR like myself (he previously competed nationally in an E-Stock MR2). This discussion is going nowhere. Good luck with your autoX season Ben!
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Ben,
I decided to talk with some known national level WRX/STI autoXers in A-stock, D-stock and STU on the issue of running an larger swaybar on an Impreza in autoX and this is how one person summed it up: Quote:
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P.S. I hope you and Dave have a great season in '06 and I look forward to autoXing again at Ripken this Fall if you can make it.
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