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What has been done about a recall for the 4eat
Did anyone ever put some serious effort in to getting subaru to recall the 4eat. With the dwindling # of SVXii do you think they would throw us a bone? Level 10 proves it's subaru's fault, at least a free radiator is in order or a tranny cooler. I think subaru owes us something! They pretty much forced the SVX off the road because they don't want to train their service people to fix it. I'm pretty sure 3000 of us would like a brand new tranny.
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Doubtful many SVX owners are the original purchaser. At this point in time you have to believe no OEM would issue a recall on anything unless it was a safety issue.
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Also, Level 10 doesn't prove anything - a member in the UK is having his Bullet-Proof trans re-built as we speak. The 4EAT is a strong and well-built trans. The problem is that the trans was originally conceived and designed for cars with 3.90, 4.11 & 4.44 gears. However, both the USDM and JDM SVXs used lower gears - 3.55 & 3.70 respectively. This is what causes the overheating problems in the transmission as ATF is pumped around too slowly. -Chike P.S. The Level 10 rebuild makes the trans stronger but doesn't improve the cooling any. If you want your trans to last longer, best thing to do would be to upgrade to 3.90, 4.11 or 4.44 gears.
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I think you can also add in the lack of ATF cooling in the design. If I had to guess, the Subaru engineers went with the lower gears to keep the acceleration in line with the intent of the car - "performance luxury". That said, if they had decided to have an optional performance package I think it would have included upgraded springs, sway bar bushings, and transmission gears (probably the 3.90). -Bill p.s. I agree with Beav, a recall 7 to 12 years after the fact probably isn't realistic
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And I also agree that a performance package of some sort should have been offered. 3.90 gears from the turbo Legacies, limited luxury items as in the awd L/LS models (for lighter weight), and a stiffer suspension package. Would have been nice... -Chike
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Funny how everyone seems to hang their hat on the cooler issue and not on the front pump gasket problem. The gasket would develop a tear and main pressure loss/fluid aeration. That would result in a great deal of problems due to reduced clamping pressure at the clutches, band, etc. I know of a couple people that have suffered because of that issue alone.
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-Chike
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4EAT faults.
As Beav says' every one makes a big thing of cooling the heat'.
The heat label was a result of the linings that were used on the first models. Primarily the linings on the lock-up clutch on the torque converter, flaked off in pieces. These pieces lodged in the cooler, to restrict the flow of cooled oil that is used, to lube the shaft and gears. The high planetary set, had the highest load, so it was the first to actually burn up, destroying the box. The other heat point is the high final drive gearing that was used in the US model to appease the US importers. The torque converter had to work hard to produce the torque to accelerate the car from low engine speeds ( like 1700 rpm in 4th) This produced excess heat that affected the ATF. I reckon Subaru should have recalled the box as they would have had good grounds, against the gear box manufactures, for the linings used. Subaru did not help the long life of the box, in not posting the brake band adjustment, as a periodic service item. This caused the demise of a large number of boxes. In later transmissions, with better linings, the heat is not a problem. I have a no extra cooler on my Euro with 3.7:1 final drive ratios, and don't expect overheating problems. Then I don't lug it around in D, I use 3rd to reduce the load and let the engine run around 2500/3500. In the hills I use the shift lever.,,,,,,, Harvey.
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So I have a 94'. Does it have the newer style of lining? Is a additional(or replacement) tranny cooler the best protection? Also would running synthetic fluid help?
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Can't hoit!
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So 4.11 or 4.44 gears would actually be BETTER for my tranny?
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The engine dosn't need to work as hard to push the car, think of a 10 speed bike, the higher the gear the harder you need to work to move the bike, but better for cruising. Most uf us dont get on the highway and cruise 90-110 mph for 2 hours, then park it, but that is pretty much how the final drive on the SVX is geared, so arround town the ATF/coolant dosn't flow as much and the engine works harder.
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If your trans ever breaks, switching to a 3.90, 4.11 or 4.44 4EAT may actually allow for an equal if not longer life of the trans as compared to the stronger 3.55 SVX 4EAT. Why? Becuase in the instance of 4.11 gears, 16% extra torque is reaching the ground in each gear (compared to stock) and as a result, 16% less strain is being placed on the trans. Also, in around town driving with the shifter in 'D', engine revs will be higher (compared to 3.55) causing a faster flow of ATF throughout the trans, which helps to keep things cool! -Chike P.S. No one has had a 3.90/4.11/4.44 4EAT installed in an SVX for several years, so it's kinda hard to say how good longevity truly is...
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On the subject of a recall...
Was the "campaign" ATF filter not the product of a factory recall intended to address the early problem of debris clogging the screen in the radiator-contained cooler?
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