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Parts that Toyota supplies? Sheet metal or engines? Everything else is made by outside sources, neither designed or engineered by Toyota. This is common practice for all OEMs, they specify parameters and prices, that's about it. Parts shared by different OEMs only save development costs - why reinvent a wheel that can be bought cheaper from someone else's shelf? Ford used to buy GM's A6 a/c compressor, in return they sold their ATC (auto climate control) system to them.
The vast majority of recalls are due to vendor supplied parts. That's not to say the OEMs don't have any responsibility, they keep pounding the vendors for cheaper and cheaper. They have to answer to stockholders and executives that don't want to give up their golden handcuffs and parachutes nor the lobster lunches in the executive cafeteria. We're now in a recall situation that TI caused by changing specs to reduce cost on a part that is a entirely redundant safety backup. But the media doesn't fault the supplier so the OEM gets the black eye. Uh, when you leave something alone you don't have to announce it before making a comment.
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Hi everyone, When I read Lwins post I took it to mean that he would not get a discount anymore as I believe he works for a gm dealer. Of course this would not be the first time I was wrong! Take care, BOBB
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Toyota is fixing to make a bid to buy GM anyhow. They have the cash on hand to purchase every outstanding share of GM stock; they are simply waiting for a politically expedient time to do so. The hybrid technology sharing agreement that was signed earlier this year is believed to be a precursor to an attempted buyout, as GM has exactly zero hybrid technology that's of interest to Toyota.
On a related note, Ford and GM's financial troubles are primarily due to the overwhelming amount of healthcare and pension related costs each company is dealing with. Overseas, the governments of Japan, Germany, Korea, among others, contribute to or pay for healthcare, which lowers the operating costs for the manufacturers significantly. In the US, it's estimated that the healthcare and pension costs for GM and Ford employees can add thousands of dollars to the cost of each car, costs that eat the already razor-thin profit margin- one of the reasons that the Big Two concentrate so heavily on their pickups and SUVs is that the profit margin on those vehicles can absorb the overhead, unlike pretty much every actual car they sell. It's quite a bit like Airbus surpassing Boeing as a supplier of commercial aircraft because Airbus is heavily supported through state subsidies and Boeing pretty much pays for everything itself. |
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I'm going to have to take Pockets' stance on this: show me proof. I've said it before and i'll say it again, Toyota has no interest in buying GM. There is no advantage, nothing to be gained. Only a huge financial burden that is GM's healthcare program. They would basically be purchasing the highest interest loan available today. BTW - Toyota got it's "hybrid technology" from GM. GM has moved onto other programs that may actually have a shot at becoming a mainstay. Hybrids are a fad, not a solution to the world's energy crisis. Ideas such as fuel cells offer a much more promising future. Quote:
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Confused? I work for a dealership that is going to be tied with GM soon. With GM, I can still get bigger discounts on parts than being a regular dealer. Thus, making my parts costs higher. Not much higher but still higher.
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Funny, hybrid technology is here today. Fuel cells aren't expected to be available on the open market for at least seven to ten years and that's only if someone can trip over a pile of answers.
Toyota brought hybrid to market before GM. GM had pure electric technology that they abandoned due to lack of adequate battery technology. It would have been a bonehead move to not market hybrid, those that have it can't produce as much as the market is buying. I don't recall, (and I could be wrong, it wouldn't be the first time) GM ever displaying any full-hybrid tech.
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Gm hybrid vehicles... http://autos.msn.com/advice/article....tentid=4022529 Even more importantly, their new technology actually has a shot at becoming a standard, not an expensive fad. Being barely more expensive than a standard vehicle, and requiring no more maintenance or care than a standard gasoline only setup, it would seem this is where the (at least immediate) future lies... http://www.hybridcars.com/silverado-sierra.html |
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thats not news, shadow. when i was thinking of being a mechanical engineer i worked on a hybrid suburban at umd college park, that was almost 4 years ago.
hydrogen fuel cells will work great to power houses. the problem is using electrolosys to extract h from h2o requires alot of power and power means fossil fuel. so for a car market it is not feasible. but i have seen good aplications on sailboats where the motion of the current of water powers the electrolosys to get hydrogen. Last edited by Matthewmongan; 10-09-2005 at 12:53 AM. |
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having studied Japanese management, i have to say its not what you think it is. |
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Can a hybrid forester be far behind? Say, 290hp?
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