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Old 08-09-2009, 01:04 PM
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Ahh, but you see, think of all the pollution created by the machines that are used to tear these cars apart, then the materials will either be left over or the energy used to separate metals/burn off the non-recyclable parts... all in all thats what their other aim is because people don't think of how much energy is used and pollution results from these cars being taken off the road.
Not to mention the pollution from the creation of the new cars and energy spent on recycling the materials that otherwise were still useful. Just about anybody with a car that was truly polluting because it was in such bad shape likely are the people that cannot afford a car payment every month. So, when these cars get repoed what happens then?? Sounds like a housing crisis only with cars this time around. It is 100% evil and nothing more. Temporary solutions only discolor the future

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Re: "Cash for clunkers" program ADMINS request

Some other math to consider is this as well:

If you are pondering a new car and you really don't want to keep your SVX any longer, try option number 2. Sell it to another SVXWN member (yes, for possibly less than the $4500 program) BUT the car will continue to live on with another enthusiast AND the whole amount of money you sell if for can go towards ANY car of your choosing. It does not have to me a new 08, 09, or 2010 and limited to the cars listed on the program. Can be used, can be lease return, etc... I am also reading that the approved cars on the program are now starting to see dealer premiums offsetting the program paid outs due to greed. Just a thought.
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Old 08-09-2009, 01:07 PM
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Re: "Cash for clunkers" program ADMINS request

Think I'm just going to go join David up to the north
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Old 08-09-2009, 03:37 PM
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Re: "Cash for clunkers" program ADMINS request

Just a brief note. The most traded in "clunkers" seem to be Ford Explorers from 1995-2005. I personally have no use for a truck, but I have driven these in the course of writing about them, and they were not vehicles I would choose to drive. They were all awful handlers, sucked gas like drunkards, and beat up passengers in the rear seat. The other side of the picture is that many of them are being replaced with the Ford Focus, a vastly better vehicle to drive or ride in. I have no problem with someone who buys a truck because they need a truck for what they do. This is skimming off some of the poseurs who drove a truck because it made their whatever seem bigger. Getting them into smaller, thriftier and more agile cars is the bright side of the picture.
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Old 08-10-2009, 05:00 AM
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Re: "Cash for clunkers" program ADMINS request

Im not agreeing with the program, and I never want to see an SVX destroyed. I just wanted both sides of the program to be exposed because I have tree hugger in me.

The eventuality is that the average mpg of cars being driven on the road will increase. Its a start towards trying to reduce vehicle emissions and reducing our dependance on foreign oil. People are slow to change. It has to start with something, and not everyones going to like it.
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...trying to reduce vehicle emissions...
Something tells me that this is hardly related. If they're containing only cars produced in the last 25 years in this program, that takes us back to what, 1984? Even then, it would take hundreds of the grossest polluting civilian vehicles to offset one of those from roughly ten years before (which is exempt)!

Let's not get into the fact that, up until just a few years ago, Volkswagen Beetles were being produced to the ORIGINAL FORMULA somewhere south of the border. This program can't put a dent in that mess.

Much of the fate of the air is left to what China decides it should be as their auto industry is hitting full domestic boom. We're along for the ride at this point.

EDIT: This kind of got off the track of the thread... apologies.

The problem with the SVX right now is that anyone can "get in" to the tune of a low price and sacrifice it as any conventional, inexpensive old car. You should almost have to pay for the... well, ethical responsibility of preserving them instead of making them disposable like some sort of econobox. This brings us full circle to a former thread about finding a way to raise their market value across the board. If they could commonly sell for $3000 in middling repair, they surely would be exempt by the public's choice, regardless of the government's program's rules.
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Old 08-10-2009, 07:25 AM
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Re: "Cash for clunkers" program ADMINS request

Just some thoughts:
1) I think it's good to get some of these gas guzzling SUVs off the road in favour of smaller more economical cars.
2) The gov't requirements to junk cars should have been much lower gas milage to restrict eligible vehicles to Hummers, SUVs, big trucks and big V8s. Efficient 4 and 6 cyclinders should never have been considered. Thus SVXs would not have qualified.
3) I can't imagine many SVXs getting caught in this program.
4) People taking advantage of this program have not done the math. Unless they really want one of these little crapola cars, buying a new car is never a good investment. Sell your SVX and buy a three-year-old little Honda civic, Subaru Integra or Mazda3. Your costs will be less, your debt will be less and your enjoyment factor will be significantly higher.
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Old 08-10-2009, 08:13 AM
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Here's a good little comparison worth reading

http://www.321gold.com/editorials/sa...lle081009.html
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Re: "Cash for clunkers" program ADMINS request

So one thing I don't understand, what is the deal with using sodium silicate? Won't just draining the oil and running the engine be sufficient to make it not run anymore? (Actually, none of this program makes sense to me!)
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So one thing I don't understand, what is the deal with using sodium silicate? Won't just draining the oil and running the engine be sufficient to make it not run anymore? (Actually, none of this program makes sense to me!)
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So one thing I don't understand, what is the deal with using sodium silicate? Won't just draining the oil and running the engine be sufficient to make it not run anymore?
This is probably something comparable to the difference in your life if you were to stop eating altogether or, say, to drink an entire jug of antifreeze.
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Re: "Cash for clunkers" program ADMINS request

So I'm guessing that this stuff does something when it's inside the engine to make it more or less not rebuildable? I'm not very familiar with it other than I've heard it used as a redneck sort of head gasket/cracked block repair.
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18mpg?

I've seen as much as 30mpg, and no less than somewhere in the 20s. I usually get 350-370miles to the E mark on my gauge, when I will have an additional 50-100 miles before empty.

18 is ridiculous, maybe if you have your foot to the floor.
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18mpg?

I've seen as much as 30mpg, and no less than somewhere in the 20s. I usually get 350-370miles to the E mark on my gauge, when I will have an additional 50-100 miles before empty.

18 is ridiculous, maybe if you have your foot to the floor.
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Old 08-14-2009, 07:18 AM
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I averaged just over 13 mpg when I was 100% city with the 1.4v chip.
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