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umm i tried to keep out but i can't... here goes. first of all to the "bush is honest" thing... thats total BS... maybe people THINK hes too stupid to lie... but both party's make equally impossible claims. Second everyone needs to decide which issues they are important.... For ME its education, security, healthcare, and economy.. and frankly bush doesn't even talk about education other than his "no child left behind act" which WAS a good idea.. until he tried to keep going with it, even though theres not enough funding. (now it just punishes schools that can't get everyone to be at a certian level (great plan.. lets take money AWAY from the schools that really need it)) Kerry however, wants to help defer the cost of higher education. healthcare is also a subject that bush avoids. for all you people speaking about money issues... look up how much it costs every day we're in Iraq... look at how bush took a progected 10 year 5 Trillion dollar surplus into a 5 trillion dollar deficit. oh.. and in the original statement basically says they're voting bush Just because of a liberally slanted media... how STUPID is that? why would anyone just vote out of spite. I"m not a "Liberal" i AM however looking at issues that are important to me.. and deciding for myself.. i hope that you all do the same.. heres a good website that allows you to look at issues rather than candidates http://www.presidentmatch.com
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With a two legged table, it will also stand, but is likely to tip over on either side. Why? The two legs only make the table stable in one LINEAR direction. You could push it in the direction of the two legs lining up, and it might still stand, but if you push it perpindicularly, it'll fall over. Same with the two party system. The two parties agree on SO many things, yet they polarize each other on other viewpoints. I don't think I know ANYBODY (except a few looney tunes I'm not really close to) who agrees 100% with either political party. One is pro life, the other is pro choice. One is pro gun, the other is 'ban anything that could possibly hurt somebody, nevermind that drunk driving kills far more people than guns do, we should ban any type of weapon because they're scary!" Ugh. One is for lots of government programs to help everybody out (more taxes!) the other side, which used to be about SMALL gov, is now seemingly for big gov as well, but instead of programs, we have wars, big military, etc etc. So we get back to a THREE legged table. Easily the most stable with the minimum number of legs. How would this apply to politics? Right now the two parties are VERY VERY similar, and extremey opposites on a few things. With a three party system, one side couldn't just be 'against' the other side, since there are THREE parties. This would force ALL THREE parties to move closer to representing the MAJORITY, which lies in the middle of the political spectrum. RIght now you have each party pushing towards it's 'edges' and ignoring the people in the middle, and I'm sick of it. ALL of our founding forefathers were AGAINST the two party system, do you think that you're more intelligent than they? - Jim |
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I like this country quite a bit, I just wish we'd have more viewpoints represented in the debates, and a more balanced coverage of all sides from the media (which is basically 'pro kerry', because Kerry is a bit behind in the polls, and the media WANTS a close race...why? Because they become important. If it's a close race, we pay more attention to the news, and the media gains more power. It's called self empowerment. - Jim |
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- Jim PS: Viva la revolution! |
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Bush has proven that he is incapable of lying well. Yeah he lies, but he's not good at it. It's not hard to tell when he's saying things that he really means vs. when he's saying things that he knows he should say. Quote:
Security should be the number ONE priority right now. Why? Because nothing threatens us like poor security. Education, healthcare and economical concerns have been around for years. We're still alive and enjoy one of the highest standards of living in the world. National security is relatively new to us, it wasn't until 9/11 that we all realized that we should be worried as much as everyone else. The bottom line is dead people don't care about education, healthcare, and the economy. Dead people would vote for the man who they can trust to protect them (hindsight thing). So all that other fun stuff doesn't matter one bit if we are not safe. Quote:
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What I CAN'T see is people voting for Kerry just because they hate Bush (BTW this makes up more than 60% of Kerry's support base). The "i'd vote for a parrot over bush" sentiment is ridiculous. So you don't like bush, great. But putting someone you barely even know, and know you can't trust into office, just to spite the man currently in office, whom you happen to disagree with, is just plain ignorant. Kerry will be 10x worse for this country than bush could ever be. We've seen Bush, and we know the worst he can do. What we haven't seen is how low Kerry can go. Rest assured we will, if he's elected. Last edited by Shadow248; 10-29-2004 at 11:33 AM. |
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Shadow, you are wise beyond your years. I have said to anyone who will listen that you can't trust kerry. He is married to one of the biggest outsourcer of jobs in America, but says that will stop under him. He has slashed intel and defense for years, but it will be different under him. He is for strong agressive defense, now he is not. He wants to tax the rich (but not himself) and somehow is going to increase domestic spending 500% without taxing the middle class. He voted to borrow capital from the social security surplus, but calls Bush an proponant of raiding the seniors. Bush survived, very well, 9/11 and did it with dignity and class. I'm confident gore wouldn't have. I have no doubt kerry would wilt under direct attack. Mrs. kerry wants us to be more like france {her words}. Enough said.
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Yes Kerry has changed some opinions on things... have you? i know i've changed my opinion on abortion rather recently. and i still have no idea how you get class... or dignity out of Mr George W. Bush.. I don't like the two party system either.. i also don't like how much this country is NOT a democracy. but you have the ignorance of the masses to blame for most of this. Kerry is for a very strong nation. however he also believes in not making rash judgements that cost our nation billions upon billions of dollars. think if bush had actually used some diplomacy before he went to war... Shadow.. i agree security is important.. but considering bush has pretty much just over thrown two governments, one of which had NOTHING to do with our national security (don't even try the "but they COULD have arguement) .. umm doesn't seem like its that important to him either. Plus what happened to the WTC 10 years previously to 9/11?? national security has been around forever.. think cold war, cuban missile crisis.. pearl harbor.. come on. Kerry will raise taxes.. but more so for the "rich" and supposed tax cuts for the middle class. You'd think bush would have more to say on this subject, as hes running up a HUGE bill over in Iraq and YES we WERE making money faster than we spent it, such that in 10 years we would have had a surplus of 5 trillion dollars... look it up... and yes teh "anybody but bush" clan is pretty big.. notice the website below. but if theres really THAT many people who would rather take anyone in office over bush.. maybe he doesn't deserve respect that people try to give him oh and the link worked for me... hmm and go to the "quiz" thing another website.. MUCH more slanted towards teh Kerry side.. but still a lot of well researched points (nothing propaganda like) http://www.johnkerryisadouchebagbuti...rhimanyway.com Sorry about the length and "rantness" of this post.. didn't know this was such a conservative board.. and i'm at work..doing nothing...
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And about the 'voting for Bush to spite the media', it has crossed my mind, and that's more likely than voting for Kerry. I hate the media. They're always ragging on Bush and always pushing Kerry... WHY?!??! BECAUSE THEY WANT A CLOSE ELECTION! Ugh. - Jim |
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drive music now...you talked about bushes not child left behind act and said how it has failed but what you failed to mention was that it has helped schools....wich is another issue i see with the war on iraq, you say how it was such a mistake but you fail to talk into consideration how many people in iraq appreciate us helping them out and how many people feel safer( for example kuwait) and if bush were to go back and change his mind about what he thinks about iraq people would be calling him a "flip flopper" too, do yourself a favor and dont be as "conservative" in your thinking and by saying this i mean dont just say i hate this, this, this and that and i want kerry i hate bush...
...so anyone wanna take bets on who will win florida
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Dignity? Consider the fact that he's just about the ballsiest man ever to lead this country, I don't think dignity is much of a problem for him. I don't want a good looking, slick talking, rich man leading this country. I want a friendly, tough, neighborly, and easy to understand president. Quote:
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The Pearl Harbor comment is a good one...I actually had that one come up before...i'll have to seek out that post instead of reposting it here and making my novel even longer. Quote:
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Yes there was a projected surplus. The point is projected. There is no way in hell that we would actually end up with that money. Are you crazy!? To think that for the next 6 years, everything could go EXACTLY as planned. Yeah, right. Welcome to earth. Quote:
If you don't believe that could have happened, I highly recommend you read the book (or just watch the movie) - "The Sum of All Fears". That story shows quite vividly what happens when you don't act quick enough. Not to mention gas prices would be double what they are now. Quote:
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How about we make Kerry and Bush race the pro rally circuit for one season, and whoever has more points gets to be prez? :-)
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ps im pp'ing you right now! phil
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What most people don't realize is that the kerry's are worth more then the Bush's. Think Kerry will tax himself more? Don't think so. Old golddigger, eh, Mrs. Kerry, isn't going to go hire back all her "outsourced" employees when she gets to be first lady. Being a Dem must come with big blinders these days. Neither party is perfect, but I can't stand the Dems both sides of the issues crap anymore.
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