ObamaBots smashed the window on my svx

[dcarrb]

Originally Posted by lhopp77

If you read the Atlanta Journal/Constitution--I know better. It is nearly as liberal as the NYT. Cynthia Tucker, the Editorial Manager is as far left as you get. You may not know but I lived in Atlanta for nearly 20 years.

Lee

Yeah, I remembered reading here that you once hailed from Atlanta. I think we lived on the same side of town. I'm sure you remember before the papers merged, when the afternoon Journal was conservative and the morning Constitution, not so much. We got the Journal daily when I was growing up.

You're right about Ms. Tucker; she's out there. Often way too far, in my view. So's Jim Wooten... in the opposite direction (though not so extreme). I look forward to his "Friday Free-for-All;" always thought-provoking, if I rarely agree. Believe it or not, sometimes I do.

Whatever; I don't presume to be able to sway anyone to my way of thinking on many issues, any more than one will change my mind on the fundamentals. That's not a bad thing. The day we all fall into lock-step behind any one candidate or political party or philosophy, look out. My overriding point is, tenuous, nonsensical, rabid-paranoid-bats@*t propaganda serves no one well, and in fact only lowers and demeans us all.

dcb

[lhopp77]

Originally Posted by dcarrb

My overriding point is, tenuous, nonsensical, rabid-paranoid-bats@*t propaganda serves no one well, and in fact only lowers and demeans us all.

dcb

I fully agree and MY major point is that we don't see fair and balanced reporting from the vast majority of the mainstream media. But----I don't agree with forums like Rush either. Even though he trys to be a counterbalance to the large number of far left outlets---its not my kind of thing.

Lee

[lhopp77]

Originally Posted by subi-crosser

IF I HAD a choice, I would vote for a Black man this time. His name is Alan KEYS!! BUT since the 'machine' will not give him the time of day, it would be a wasted vote.


LOOK him UP!!! BEST choice we will NEVER see on television!

I am not sure I would vote for him, but I agree with much of what he says and might vote for him after more careful review of all of what he stands for. There are several blacks that I would actually strongly consider voting for, but none of them are the far left socialistic advocates like the current candidate.

Lee

[bwb3]

Speaking of Atlanta, I think I get the most balanced news from Neal Boortz. He'll knock both sides when they deserve it.
Gene

[dcarrb]

Boortz is one of those guys who will occasionally come down precisely as I might on some issue, but usually he just makes me want to smash the radio with a hammer. Whenever I'm in the car with my folks, I'm a captive audience.

dcb

[bwb3]

I think, like Nikfu, he likes to stir the pudding once in awhile to get a rise. Keeps the listener wanting to come back for the outrage of the day.
Gene

[NikFu S.]

WHO SAID MAH NAME?




I LOVE pudding.




Bill Cosby would make a decent president.

[Hondasucks]

Obama has NO respect for the Second Amendment, and that's enough to sway my vote to McCain. Even if you don't own a single firearm, the right to do so is in your constitution, and it is vital that our constitution be upheld. (see www.gunbanobama.com for the facts, also www.nra-ila.org.)

[NikFu S.]

Considering Congress has only been able to pass a federal budget (not a continuing resolution budget) for 1 out of the past 4 years, I highly doubt Congress would change a constitutional amendment (which requires a 2/3 majority from Congress and the States). Overblown hyperbole.
Considering this, voting McCain on this reason alone is silly.

[Zeppelin]

He's not planning on changing the amendment to stop people from owning guns, he wants to make ammunition too expensive so people cannot afford to shoot their guns. You can own as many as you want, but they're worthless if you have no ammo.

[NikFu S.]

How would he go about doing this? Taxes?

Black market mode turn on!

[immortal_suby]

Originally Posted by Zeppelin

He's not planning on changing the amendment to stop people from owning guns, he wants to make ammunition too expensive so people cannot afford to shoot their guns. You can own as many as you want, but they're worthless if you have no ammo.

Obama's thoughts on gun control:

Q: Is the D.C. law prohibiting ownership of handguns consistent with an individual's right to bear arms?

A: As a general principle, I believe that the Constitution confers an individual right to bear arms. But just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can't constrain the exercise of that right, in the same way that we have a right to private property but local governments can establish zoning ordinances that determine how you can use it.

Q: But do you still favor the registration & licensing of guns?

A: I think we can provide common-sense approaches to the issue of illegal guns that are ending up on the streets. We can make sure that criminals don't have guns in their hands. We can make certain that those who are mentally deranged are not getting a hold of handguns. We can trace guns that have been used in crimes to unscrupulous gun dealers that may be selling to straw purchasers and dumping them on the streets.

Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban

Obama was being misleading when he denied that his handwriting had been on a document endorsing a state ban on the sale and possession of handguns in Illinois. Obama responded, "No, my writing wasn't on that particular questionnaire. As I said, I have never favored an all-out ban on handguns."
Actually, Obama's writing was on the 1996 document, which was filed when Obama was running for the Illinois state Senate. A Chicago nonprofit, Independent Voters of Illinois, had this question, and Obama took hard line:

35. Do you support state legislation to:
a. ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns? Yes.
b. ban assault weapons? Yes.
c. mandatory waiting periods and background checks? Yes.

Obama's campaign said, "Sen. Obama didn't fill out these state Senate questionnaires--a staffer did--and there are several answers that didn't reflect his views then or now. He may have jotted some notes on the front page of the questionnaire, but some answers didn't reflect his views."

Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok


Q: You said recently, "I have no intention of taking away folks' guns." But you support the D.C. handgun ban, and you've said that it's constitutional. How do you reconcile those two positions?

A: Because I think we have two conflicting traditions in this country. I think it's important for us to recognize that we've got a tradition of handgun ownership and gun ownership generally. And a lot of law-abiding citizens use it for hunting, for sportsmanship, and for protecting their families. We also have a violence on the streets that is the result of illegal handgun usage. And so I think there is nothing wrong with a community saying we are going to take those illegal handguns off the streets. And cracking down on the various loopholes that exist in terms of background checks for children, the mentally ill. We can have reasonable, thoughtful gun control measure that I think respect the Second Amendment and people's traditions.

Provide some common-sense enforcement on gun licensing



Q: When you were in the state senate, you talked about licensing and registering gun owners. Would you do that as president?

A: I don't think that we can get that done. But what we can do is to provide just some common-sense enforcement. The efforts by law enforcement to obtain the information required to trace back guns that have been used in crimes to unscrupulous gun dealers. As president, I intend to make it happen. We essentially have two realities, when it comes to guns, in this country. You've got the tradition of lawful gun ownership. It is very important for many Americans to be able to hunt, fish, take their kids out, teach them how to shoot. Then you've got the reality of 34 Chicago public school students who get shot down on the streets of Chicago. We can reconcile those two realities by making sure the Second Amendment is respected and that people are able to lawfully own guns, but that we also start cracking down on the kinds of abuses of firearms that we see on the streets.

2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month


Obama sought moderate gun control measures, such as a 2000 bill he cosponsored to limit handgun purchases to one per month (it did not pass). He voted against letting people violate local weapons bans in cases of self-defense, but also voted in2004 to let retired police officers carry concealed handguns.
Source: The Improbable Quest, by John K. Wilson, p.148 Oct 30, 2007

Concealed carry OK only for retired police officers



Obama voted for a bill in the Illinois senate that allowed retired law enforcement officers to carry concealed weapons. If there was any issue on which Obama rarely deviated, it was gun control. He was the most strident candidate when it came to enforcin and expanding gun control laws. So this vote jumped out as inconsistent.
When I queried him about the vote, he said, "I didn't find that [vote] surprising. I am consistently on record and will continue to be on record as opposing concealed carry. This was a narrow exception in an exceptional circumstance where a retired police officer might find himself vulnerable as a consequence of the work he has previously done--and had been trained extensively in the proper use of firearms."

It wasn't until a few weeks later that another theory came forward about the uncharacteristic vote. Obama was battling with his GOP opponent to win the endorsement of the Fraternal Order of Police.

Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities



Q: How would you address gun violence that continues to be the #1 cause of death among African-American men?

A: You know, when the massacre happened at Virginia Tech, I think all of us were grief stricken and shocked by the carnage. But in this year alone, in Chicago, we've had 34 Chicago public school students gunned down and killed. And for the most part, there has been silence. We know what to do. We've got to enforce the gun laws that are on the books. We've got to make sure that unscrupulous gun dealers aren't loading up vans and dumping guns in our communities, because we know they're not made in our communities. There aren't any gun manufacturers here, right here in the middle of Detroit. But what we also have to do is to make sure that we change our politics so that we care just as much about those 30-some children in Chicago who've been shot as we do the children in Virginia Tech. That's a mindset that we have to have in the White House and we don't have it right now.

Keep guns out of inner cities--but also problem of morality



I believe in keeping guns out of our inner cities, and that our leaders must say so in the face of the gun manfuacturer's lobby. But I also believe that when a gangbanger shoots indiscriminately into a crowd because he feels someone disrespected him, we have a problem of morality. Not only do ew need to punish thatman for his crime, but we need to acknowledge that there's a hole in his heart, one that government programs alone may not be able to repair.

Source: The Audacity of Hope, by Barack Obama, p.215 Oct 1, 2006

Bush erred in failing to renew assault weapons ban



KEYES: [to Obama]: I am a strong believer in the second amendment. The gun control mentality is ruthlessly absurd. It suggests that we should pass a law that prevents law abiding citizens from carrying weapons. You end up with a situation where the crook have all the guns and the law abiding citizens cannot defend themselves. I guess that's good enough for Senator Obama who voted against the bill that would have allowed homeowners to defend themselves if their homes were broken into.
OBAMA: Let's be honest. Mr. Keyes does not believe in common gun control measures like the assault weapons bill. Mr. Keyes does not believe in any limits from what I can tell with respect to the possession of guns, including assault weapons that have only one purpose, to kill people. I think it is a scandal that this president did not authorize a renewal of the assault weapons ban.


Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions



Principles that Obama supports on gun issues:
Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.
Increase state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms.
Require manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms.


Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers.



A bill to prohibit civil liability actions from being brought or continued against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers of firearms or ammunition for damages, injunctive or other relief resulting from the misuse of their products by others. Voting YES would:
Exempt lawsuits brought against individuals who knowingly transfer a firearm that will be used to commit a violent or drug-trafficking crime
Exempt lawsuits against actions that result in death, physical injury or property damage due solely to a product defect
Call for the dismissal of all qualified civil liability actions pending on the date of enactment by the court in which the action was brought
Prohibit the manufacture, import, sale or delivery of armor piercing ammunition, and sets a minimum prison term of 15 years for violations
Require all licensed importers, manufacturers and dealers who engage in the transfer of handguns to provide secure gun storage or safety devices
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[Noir]

Originally Posted by immortal_suby

Obama's thoughts on gun control:

quite disturbing indeed.

i :heart: my guns.

guns don't kill people, but they sure do help.

what's this 'common-sense' enforcement?

and i didn't know that we need guns to fish. that's new for me.

[Noir]

Originally Posted by immortal_suby

I believe Obama is a terrorist and will steal our country' secrets during his reign only to turn them over to our enemies. But I don't burn crosses in the front yards of his supporters as a general practice. I just lie in wait for the apocalypse with plenty of ammunition and beef jerky.

come come now matt. obama is a good christian. since all good christians hate muslims and since all muslims are terrorists, obama can't be a terrorist.



we still on for monday night cross burnings???

[Landshark]

how can i hunt El Chupacabras without guns?

that is the question i pose to you, Mr. Obama.