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Suby/Chevy
I was discussing the FHI-SOA /GM marriage with a Subaru dealership owner. Officially GM owns approx. 20% of Suby stock.
Like all marriages, this one has good times & bad. Suby & Chevy were supposed to have a shared platform mini-SUV (Chevy) mini-van (Suby) out by 2007. That did not happen. The reason is that Suby balked about using GM engines. Suby is commited to flat (H-type) engines. GM wanted them to use straight fours and V-6's. That goes against FHI's design philosphy of "Symetrical AWD". Shall we say that the bloom is off the rose and that the marriage is not as blissful as it once appeared. It is to GM management's credit that they got Subaru and SAAB to work together. Having owned both Subarus & SAABs, I can state that both companies are similar in philosophy. Both are engieering oriented. Both believe in building 'driver's cars'. Both are non-mainstream and a bit quirky. If GM leaves Subaru & SAAB alone and lets them collaborate together, I think we should see better products from both of these companies. I know that I would love to see an AWD Subaru with a Suby flat 6 with SAAB designed twin turbos and SAAB brakes. IMHO nobody knows more or has more experience with tubocharging production street cars than SAAB. SAAB brakes are great. They are the kind that can put you through the windshield when you stop short and are not wearing a seat belt. They are like the brakes in a Porsche.
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Re: New Subaru Impala???
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Re: Re: Re: New Subaru Impala???
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I understand that but they share a ton of things that's its pratically the same crap.
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Lwin M. Maung (Member # 147) Current SVX: • NONE Previous SVXes: •1994 LE Barcelona Red 107k • 1992 LS-L Pearl White 143k • 1994 LSi Bordeaux Pearl 220k • 1992 LS-L Ebony Pearl 184k • 1992 LS-L Liquid Silver 145k • 1992 LS-L Liquid Silver 102k • 1992 LS-L Ebony Pearl 123k Other current cars:•2001 Jeep Grand Cherokee Black If at first you don't succeed, CHEAT!
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Lwin M. Maung (Member # 147) Current SVX: • NONE Previous SVXes: •1994 LE Barcelona Red 107k • 1992 LS-L Pearl White 143k • 1994 LSi Bordeaux Pearl 220k • 1992 LS-L Ebony Pearl 184k • 1992 LS-L Liquid Silver 145k • 1992 LS-L Liquid Silver 102k • 1992 LS-L Ebony Pearl 123k Other current cars:•2001 Jeep Grand Cherokee Black If at first you don't succeed, CHEAT!
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VW is shifting more and more into the platform sharing strategy that crippled GM and killed off British Leyland. Audi, VW, Bentley, Skoda, and SEAT all share platforms, engines, drivetrains, and interior pieces. Audi and Lamborghini will share platforms, and there's nothing to suggest VW won't help itself to that as well. Worse, Audi and Fiat have just consumated a deal that gives Maserati access to Audi's Quattro drivetrain, and their aluminum technology used on the A8. Hopefully they'll be able to escape the fate that has befallen GM and BL - it would hurt to one day think of the A4 as a Cimmaron. [/B][/QUOTE]
Oh, well - Let's all go rent that 1977 classic movie "Network", listen again to Ned Beatty's tirade to Peter Finch in the conference room, & realize there's nuthin' new under the sun. Ron ("I'm mad as h*ll, but can't remember why"!)
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Apparently Mr. Don't bash Toyota never realized how much the Land Cruiser, Highlander, and 4Runner look so amazingly like the Lexus SUV's. Must be coincidence. I know you said cars only, but rebadging is rebadging. As for ford, they seem intent on stealing badge engineering honors from GM lately. Most Volvo's, Mazda's, and even Jaguars, are overflowing with ford parts. Not ford money, ford parts.
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Hey Yoda, at least you're smart enough to sell the neon and not the Honda!!!!!!! Sorry Rob.
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http://www.tribuneindia.com/2003/200...s/motoring.htm
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$5 says the next Subaru/GM rebadge will be a forester rebadged as a chevy..
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Re: Re: New Subaru Impala???
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VW and Audi share parts and resources, and are under the same ownership. Other than this they have very different histories, cars and company values. |
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"Volkswagen AG is working on three fronts to improve the quality of vehicles sold in the United States. VW will monitor its suppliers more closely, tighten production and improve dealer training, says Jens Neumann, a member of the VW board of management in charge of North American strategy. "But there's still some work to be done," Neumann concedes. "We are working to improve quality and to improve the perception of Volks-wagen quality." http://www.autoweek.com/cat_content...._code=04365644 Quote:
Last edited by DavieGravy; 02-29-2004 at 11:05 AM. |
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Re: Re: Re: Re: New Subaru Impala???
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Lexuses sold here in the US are simply rebadged versions of Japan-market Toyotas. Same with Acura. All Acura vehicles sold here are sold in Europe as Hondas at comparable prices to other Honda models. Audi, on the other hand, doesn't do this. Last edited by wawazat??; 03-03-2004 at 09:21 AM. |
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how can you say that audi is not the same?
every audi vehicle is built on a VW platform the TT is a golf, the rest are rebodied passats or jettas, it's exactily the same, different heritage perhaps but still the same cars, basically the same engines and the same low reliablity
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I just read that article. SCC called it the Impalaza. If you noticed (or didn't ), the very next sentence was something to the effect of "Hey, even we make jokes sometimes." They were kidding, there is no Impalaza.
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-Steve Member #895(the member formerly known as BurgundyBeast) 01' MSM Lexus IS300 Last edited by SubaSteevo; 02-28-2004 at 10:05 PM. |
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