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Old 07-23-2001, 06:38 AM
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Subaru Flat 12

Imagine this in an SVX!!!

Subaru/Motori Moderni 1235 flat-12
Of the former turbo runners Motori Moderni together with Subaru money entered in 1990 with the Carlo Chiti designed 1235 B12. This was a 180-degree flat 'boxer' engine layout in the Ferrari/Alfa design practice used during the 1970s. The flat-engine concept while having advantages in low center of gravity became obsolete when the ground-effect cars requiring air-flow venturies came along in the late 1970s. The wide flat-layout obstructed the airflow and such designs quickly disappeared. The 1235 was both overweight at 159kg and also down on power while being prone to blow-ups… The only user, Coloni gave up on the engine mid-season 1991 after eight DNPQs. They also went back to the proven route of DFR V8 and speed and reliability improved little. The MM/Subaru engine later saw use in offshore powerboat racing and is currently used in the Swedish Koeniggsegg supercar. Curiously, during the same period Mercedes also designed a flat 180-degree 12-cylinder engine, the M291, for use in their C291 Group C car. This engine gave Michael Schumacher and Karl Wendlinger victory at Autopolis in the Sportscar World Championship season finale. Earlier this engine was plagued by oil-scavenging problems but they were solved and the engine was ultimately reliable enough to win but still hefty at 170kg.

The link is:

http://8w.forix.com/engfail.html

It was rated at over 400kW...a better colour picture is at

http://www.crosswinds.net/~f1rejects/teams/coloni/

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Old 07-23-2001, 02:44 PM
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Re: Subaru Flat 12

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Imagine this in an SVX!!!

The link is:

http://8w.forix.com/engfail.html

It was rated at over 400kW...a better colour picture is at

http://www.crosswinds.net/~f1rejects/teams/coloni/

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You would have to move the driving position into the back seat to make room for it. I will stick with my Nitrous.

Nice pics, James

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Old 07-23-2001, 03:34 PM
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You would have to move the driving position into the back seat to make room for it.
Er, wouldn't you have to move the headlights forward?

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Er, wouldn't you have to move the headlights forward?

Steve
Not without redesigning my cf hood. You KNOW the trouble that will cause, Steve.

And we need to keep the centre of gravity behind the front bumper, or maybe even behind the front axle!!

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F1 engine

What an interesting article! Did you notice that the engine is/was used in a supercar? (never heard of it)

http://home.wanadoo.nl/the8wteam/koeniggg.jpg

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Old 07-24-2001, 08:20 AM
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Re: F1 engine

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What an interesting article! Did you notice that the engine is/was used in a supercar? (never heard of it)

http://home.wanadoo.nl/the8wteam/koeniggg.jpg

...if Italdesign had just done the body Don
The SVX is a latent supercar...
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If I put that engine in my SVX what kind of tranny would hold up under all the HP's???.........Level 10?
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Old 07-27-2001, 08:52 AM
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Subaru was actually going to put a Boxer 12 into F1 many years ago. Ended up costing way more than they wanted to invest.
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