Would you love SVX if it were a Ford ???

[michael]

Sure, why not?

[SSSVX]

Perhaps not.

[AlcyoneDaze]

that's an eerie resemblance, but still - all those 1st gen probes are smoking rust heaps by now, whereas the SVX's are still shiny

[Hose92SVX]

I can't believe you guys are bashing Ford like this, tisk,tisk, shame on you!
My family has had several Fords from the early 70's to today. The only one we had that gave any trouble was a 79 Ford Country Squire station wagon. My Dad had that car for one year and told Ford where to stick it, but since then we had a 84 and 86 Crown Vic and the 86 was still running fine at 140,000 miles when he got rid of it. A 89 Ford Taurus that was traded for a 97 Ford Taurus. None of those cars gave any significant problems. I have a 98 F-150 with 95,000 miles and except for an electrical problem with the door switch that operates the dome light, I haven't had any problems with it. That truck goes out to Colorado once a year and I take it off roading, then comes home and gets parts for the semi, and food at the store. We've had 3 Saturns in the Family and all them saw over 170,000 miles with no problems other then when mine got over 180,000 miles it would run hot at idle. We had two Honda's in the family that gave no problems, and one two Nissan's one a former Datsan that ran fine. One 84 Audi 4000 that was plagued with Problems like the 79 Ford Station Wagon. Maybe my Family has just been lucky with cars becuase once I turned 16 back in 86, none of the cars after that had an easy life with me behind the wheel and all held up fine. I used to take the 86 crown vic and run full speed in reverse and drop it in drive to burn off the tires, the car went mudding, towed a 72 chevy P/U with just a rope for 160 miles, jumped the car and we had a red flashing light that we would use to play "CHIP's" in. That car was a company car and Dad was always out of town so that thing go abused.
The probe which was a nice car back in the late 80's was either built or designed by Mazda. I can't remember. As far as technoloy is concerned. US cars were one of the first to employ seat belts, head rest, cruise control, air conditioning, ABS, traction control, air bags, and a host of other new technology at a fraction of what the high end Mercedes cost. Do other countries contribute to technology, hell yes they do, but I wouldn't be so quick to cancel out what the US car companies have brought to the table.
DARN IT!

[GOT2HAVESVX]

I would still have bought it....We have a 79 F150 4wheel drive pick-up that never needs ANYTHING and we let the kids seriously abuse it. (well to me its abuse) to them its fun! We let them do donuts in the dirt and mud and basically let them drive for experience. Anyways , every car company does make a car i'd like to own, probably wouldnt be as much fun as the SVX. We also have a 2000 Explorer.....you think your SVX has tranny problems???Buy an explolrer! Nuf said bout that one!

[sicksubie]

I have a friend that does a paper route and has had 4 escorts ('94, '94, '96, '98). I do all the work on those things and they have accumulated over 1 million miles between them. Also they are surprisingly adept in the snow.

[benebob]

Originally Posted by Hose92SVX

I can't believe you guys are bashing Ford like this, tisk,tisk, shame on you!
My family has had several Fords from the early 70's to today. The only one we had that gave any trouble was a 79 Ford Country Squire station wagon. My Dad had that car for one year and told Ford where to stick it, but since then we had a 84 and 86 Crown Vic and the 86 was still running fine at 140,000 miles when he got rid of it. A 89 Ford Taurus that was traded for a 97 Ford Taurus. None of those cars gave any significant problems. I have a 98 F-150 with 95,000 miles and except for an electrical problem with the door switch that operates the dome light, I haven't had any problems with it. That truck goes out to Colorado once a year and I take it off roading, then comes home and gets parts for the semi, and food at the store. We've had 3 Saturns in the Family and all them saw over 170,000 miles with no problems other then when mine got over 180,000 miles it would run hot at idle. We had two Honda's in the family that gave no problems, and one two Nissan's one a former Datsan that ran fine. One 84 Audi 4000 that was plagued with Problems like the 79 Ford Station Wagon. Maybe my Family has just been lucky with cars becuase once I turned 16 back in 86, none of the cars after that had an easy life with me behind the wheel and all held up fine. I used to take the 86 crown vic and run full speed in reverse and drop it in drive to burn off the tires, the car went mudding, towed a 72 chevy P/U with just a rope for 160 miles, jumped the car and we had a red flashing light that we would use to play "CHIP's" in. That car was a company car and Dad was always out of town so that thing go abused.
The probe which was a nice car back in the late 80's was either built or designed by Mazda. I can't remember. As far as technoloy is concerned. US cars were one of the first to employ seat belts, head rest, cruise control, air conditioning, ABS, traction control, air bags, and a host of other new technology at a fraction of what the high end Mercedes cost. Do other countries contribute to technology, hell yes they do, but I wouldn't be so quick to cancel out what the US car companies have brought to the table.
DARN IT!

Seat belts- British 1st
Head Rest, Italian 1st
ABS- British 1st
Air bag- Italian 1st (sorry not the Mustang)
Safety glass- British 1st (sorry not the Mustang)

God Bless the Union Jack as they win on the safety things! Where are the C
Kraught's you speak of at Mercedes? Don't worry, they'll stop bashing Ford in about 10 years, when there isn't a Ford left because they can't provide a single product that is on top of the car world. Not one . The last one that might have been there was the 1st year Taurus.

[lhopp77]

Originally Posted by It's Just Eric

...If the car were a ford it would be 15 years behind in tech-nawli-gee and not 15 years ahead

Seems to me Ford engine techno moved significantly ahead of GM with the OHC engines in 97 with the same coilover sparkplugs as our SVXi. Biggest problem with American manufactured cars is quality----a union problem where seniority is the dictator instead of quality worker performance. Blame the unions and not US manufacturers.

Given the appearance and quality of the SVX, I would have bought it no matter who made it.

Lee

[Hose92SVX]

Benebob, I don't know who evented what, or who was the first to employ the technology, and I think I said the US companies where "one of the first". Chrysler was one of the first to come out with Air Bags in mass production, none of the Toyota's or Datsuns had power windows or cruise control untill the late 70's. A freind of mine had a early 70MG that didn't have head rest and yet my 70 Camaro had head rest (granted they were as hard as bricks). The old Fords we've had in the family did us well and the 98 I have today does me great today. I'm not a spokesman for Ford nor do I care about brand loyalty. I'm just speaking of past experiences and was joking about you guys bashing Ford, I really don't care. As far as the Probe goes then which is it, Ford's problem for a rust bucket or Mazada's problem for the rust bucket? Who get's the blame on that? Is it Ford and if so why? I just gave several example's of good Fords in my history and yet you haven't posted how many Ford's you've had and the results you had with them. Maybe you bought a lemon and assume all Fords are that way. Don't know, but I know thousands of American, Mexican, European, and Asian families depend on Ford for thier bread and butter and I know the past experiences we've had with Ford's. Oh, one more thing, I guess you forgot who brought mass production of cars at an afordable price, Henry Ford ring a bell?

[benebob]

Originally Posted by Hose92SVX

Benebob, I don't know who evented what, or who was the first to employ the technology, and I think I said the US companies where "one of the first". Chrysler was one of the first to come out with Air Bags in mass production, none of the Toyota's or Datsuns had power windows or cruise control untill the late 70's. A freind of mine had a early 70MG that didn't have head rest and yet my 70 Camaro had head rest (granted they were as hard as bricks). The old Fords we've had in the family did us well and the 98 I have today does me great today. I'm not a spokesman for Ford nor do I care about brand loyalty. I'm just speaking of past experiences and was joking about you guys bashing Ford, I really don't care. As far as the Probe goes then which is it, Ford's problem for a rust bucket or Mazada's problem for the rust bucket? Who get's the blame on that? Is it Ford and if so why? I just gave several example's of good Fords in my history and yet you haven't posted how many Ford's you've had and the results you had with them. Maybe you bought a lemon and assume all Fords are that way. Don't know, but I know thousands of American, Mexican, European, and Asian families depend on Ford for thier bread and butter and I know the past experiences we've had with Ford's. Oh, one more thing, I guess you forgot who brought mass production of cars at an afordable price, Henry Ford ring a bell?

FYI, I didn't bash Ford, just correcting you're lack of knowledge on who was the innovators on certain things. In fact I have one rusting away out front as we speak. She's a beauty of 1960s and 70s techology manufactured in 1996 fyi. American manufactures have been behind the world when it comes to applying technological advances to their vehicles for nearly 50 years. When you're big, bad and arrogant you don't innovate its that simple. Had there been 10 automakers instead of 3.5 (yeah that .5 is AMC) then competition would've created innovations rather than reactionary policies

Oh and while you're praising Henry Ford would you like to hail Hitler and have a good old fashion cross burning while your at it? Go to a library and look at the Dearborne Press from the teens on as well as the Ford hiring policies. Then we'll see if you still wanna give Henry a little loving. Hitler was a BIG fan of him so you're in good company I guess!

[Hose92SVX]

Don't ever imply that I like Hitler. I've read both Mienkauf 1, and a biography on Ford and while the books are no longer fresh in my head, I remember that both men were control freaks and had big dreams and did anything to fullfill those dreams. I have a bi-racial son, my two best friends are Jewish, and half Chinese. Aside from that, US car companies have taken chances like Subaru in developing and producing cars that were out of the norm and likely to have low sales. US car companies copy and have been copied from other car manufactures. Look at our beloved Outback, 79 AMC Eagle look familiar?
Toyota MR2 came after the Pontiac Fierro. Chrysler Minivans were the first of thier kind. Saturn were one of the first to have plastic skin and styrofoam casting technology. Buick put a V-6 turbo motor in the cutlass body, then came the Typhoon and Cyclone. I could go on and on about both Asian, European and US car manufactures that invented, employed or tried a mix of new things. As far as reliabilty goes, I would have never bought the Subaru SVX based on reliability. If reliability is the case, I wouldn't have bought this car at all, becuase I can tell I don't think this car could make it to Indiana for an annual meet although I bet for under the 3,000 I paid, I could of bought a 92 model US car that would easily get to Indiana. I bought it because I applaud Subaru for taking a chance and building something different, just like I did the Ford Mustang SVO, remember that car a turbo charged I-4 that could hang with a Porche 944 turbo. I just read an artical earlier this year how US car companies were closing the gap on reliability compared to Asian cars, and the Europeans took last place. The arguement there could because the Asian cars are being built in the US. But they also employ workers that don't have the same benifits as the UAW workers, so thier cheaper labor allows them to invest heavier in the quality of manufacturing. And guess what, the Chinese are doing the same thing to the Japanese motorcycle manufactures as the Japanese car manufacturers did to the US car manufacturers. They can do it with cheaper labor then invest in better advertisement and better engineering. Are US companies arrogant, sure they are, but no more arrogant then the Japanese are to the Chinese, or the Germans to the French. I could debate you on and on, but now I have to take my lack of knowledge on the big road so I can debate with other truckers who makes a better motor, Detroit, Cat's, Cummins, Volvo's, or Mercedes?

[benebob]

Originally Posted by Hose92SVX

Don't ever imply that I like Hitler. I've read both Mienkauf 1, and a biography on Ford and while the books are no longer fresh in my head, I remember that both men were control freaks and had big dreams and did anything to fullfill those dreams. I have a bi-racial son, my two best friends are Jewish, and half Chinese. Aside from that, US car companies have taken chances like Subaru in developing and producing cars that were out of the norm and likely to have low sales. US car companies copy and have been copied from other car manufactures. Look at our beloved Outback, 79 AMC Eagle look familiar?
Toyota MR2 came after the Pontiac Fierro. Chrysler Minivans were the first of thier kind. Saturn were one of the first to have plastic skin and styrofoam casting technology. Buick put a V-6 turbo motor in the cutlass body, then came the Typhoon and Cyclone. I could go on and on about both Asian, European and US car manufactures that invented, employed or tried a mix of new things. As far as reliabilty goes, I would have never bought the Subaru SVX based on reliability. If reliability is the case, I wouldn't have bought this car at all, becuase I can tell I don't think this car could make it to Indiana for an annual meet although I bet for under the 3,000 I paid, I could of bought a 92 model US car that would easily get to Indiana. I bought it because I applaud Subaru for taking a chance and building something different, just like I did the Ford Mustang SVO, remember that car a turbo charged I-4 that could hang with a Porche 944 turbo. I just read an artical earlier this year how US car companies were closing the gap on reliability compared to Asian cars, and the Europeans took last place. The arguement there could because the Asian cars are being built in the US. But they also employ workers that don't have the same benifits as the UAW workers, so thier cheaper labor allows them to invest heavier in the quality of manufacturing. And guess what, the Chinese are doing the same thing to the Japanese motorcycle manufactures as the Japanese car manufacturers did to the US car manufacturers. They can do it with cheaper labor then invest in better advertisement and better engineering. Are US companies arrogant, sure they are, but no more arrogant then the Japanese are to the Chinese, or the Germans to the French. I could debate you on and on, but now I have to take my lack of knowledge on the big road so I can debate with other truckers who makes a better motor, Detroit, Cat's, Cummins, Volvo's, or Mercedes?

FYI the average Japanese auto worker makes more than the average UAW makes so don't blame it on labor unions my friend. So what other GT/Quasi sports car from the early 90s is more reliable at 150k? They all have their issues but overall the SVX is darn reliable and has been since day one. How many Vette's out there have 200k w/o an engine rebuild or top end rebuild? How about Mitsu 3000s? Like it or not a sports based car will not be as reliable as a economy based sedan.

Never saw a SVO hand with a 944 anywhere there were turns btw. I guess the steering wheel was optional on 'em.

[Hose92SVX]

Blah, Blah, Blah..... I could talk and give you examples all night about how car manufactures from all parts of the world have thier pros's and con's in the different cars they have produced, their reliabilty, and the technology that went into them. However, it would be a waste, since your stuck on stereotypes with no substance to back it. So on that note, I'm just gonna take my Redneck, Hitler lovin, Racist, Lack of knowledge self down the road.
Feel free to make any last remarks and if I don't respond, don't feel you proved me wrong, I'm just tired of proving you wrong

[benebob]

Originally Posted by Hose92SVX

I'm just tired of proving you wrong

What you get tired from nothing. Maybe you should go to a gym instead of driving an SVX, or maybe you should buy a ford so you have something to push.

Never said you were a racist, if you comprehend sentences you'll see that, just compared Henry Ford to Hitler, who incidently was a subscriber to 1 us newspaper, the Dearborne Press. Funny how he thought the Americans wouldn't fight him from that newspaper. Gotta love our Fathers of Industry here in America!

[L.O.R.D. SVX]

Well just posting my own experience. I do own two 1st gen probes, both turbo, 5 spd, one with a body kit, and I know the two (one stock and the other mildly modified) whips the SVX in acceleration and meets and exceeds the top end. And, we're talking about a four banger here. Working on those engines is simpler to work on. Well for reliability, these are 89's one has 112,000 miles and the other has 160,000. I actually spent more money on repairs with my SVX (well maybe one of the probes because I shreaded my cylinder head, but that's my bad). The engine is Mazda built so it leans more towards japanese tech.

I personally don't care for the majority of Fords, but I love my probes, and that's why I love my SVX as well. It's the look of these cars. To me, I don't care to much about the other Subaru's either, but I love my SVX . What I'm trying to say is I don't really care what make the car is, so long it makes people do a double-take glance and with adequate performance.