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If someone was walking down your street, and saw you sleeping with your wallet on your night stand, your window open, your house unlocked, your garage open, and your keys laying on top of the car, would it be a crime to knock on the door and let you know that you left everything open?
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You are now on my ignore list, good riddance. - Rob |
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In the whole thread, I am going to have to say I agree with Rob on this one and I am not going to jump in since our point of views are different and although I do not agree with your point of view, everyone has the right to say what they want. That's what freedom is all about.
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Last edited by Noir; 03-11-2004 at 01:50 AM. |
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The trick is to "CHANGE" them BEFORE you break them. Otherwise, you'll be trying to change them behind bars. "Ignorance" of the law is no excuse and neither is blatantly ignoring it because your "belief system" doesn't. Right or wrong, the law is the law and breaking it is "ILLEGAL" or, if you will, WRONG.
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No. It would be a crime to enter the house, wander around, rearrange things or, take things over to the neighbor's house without my knowledge. A) Trespassing B) Theft, whether you kept the items or not. It's the "knock on the door" to alert the occupant that you're there that's missing in your "hacker" scenario.
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Randy Johnson 3rd Registered Member 02-21-2001 First Member to Reach 10,000 Posts First to arrive at the very first Reading Meet Subaru Ambassador 1992 SVX PPG Pace Car Replica 110+k 1993 White Impreza L 240+K miles 2001 Legacy Outback Limited Sedan 250+K miles 2013 Deep Indigo Pearl Legacy 3.6R 49+K miles "Reading is my favorite Holiday" Mike Davis -- at Reading VI |
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Hackers do not cause harm in a system, computer or otherwise. If they see a security thread, they'll inform the the person in charge of it.
I particularly do not care about people probing a system and looking around. I've done my fair share of that. But once you start an attack or documentation, you are not talking hacker anymore and they are a menace to society.
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Lwin M. Maung (Member # 147) Current SVX: NONE Previous SVXes: 1994 LE Barcelona Red 107k 1992 LS-L Pearl White 143k 1994 LSi Bordeaux Pearl 220k 1992 LS-L Ebony Pearl 184k 1992 LS-L Liquid Silver 145k 1992 LS-L Liquid Silver 102k 1992 LS-L Ebony Pearl 123k Other current cars:2001 Jeep Grand Cherokee Black If at first you don't succeed, CHEAT!
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Yes Chitcane I do
(believe that right=legal until the law is corrected from within)
Because I choose to live in a society that passes laws and has a representative form of government I choose to live within those laws! As you should. If you think a law needs to be changed and enough people agree with you that law can and should be changed. That applies to both the speed limit, drug, and hacker laws. As you seem to think that laws are made to be broken, have fun in jail or the poor house when my society comes down on yours. You will pay the legal penalty for not trying to change this system from within. I believe in, and follow only one of the Commandments (law) that the Judo-Christian world lives by. Thou shalt not steal. That one commandment (law) covers all the rest, and is the one that hackers violate constantly. (Liars steal truth, murderers steal life, trespassers steal privacyetc.) In your past posts I've noticed that you said that you are an atheist. Apparently thats about the only thing in this world that you and I agree upon. However, you give the rest of us a bad name. If you cant defend something logically, give up. I do not correlate religious with morality or right with might. There is no forceful argument that you can make that will make disobeying a law right. The reason you argue, and the force with which you try to defend your illogical stands are unfathomable to me. Calling people names does not enhance an argument. Your inexperienced opinion does not count as fact nor does you limited experience (youre what, 18?) constitute knowledge. You have not changed you manner or attitude hence I still have you on ignore and refuse to open you posts. However, as long as others whom I respect continue to quote you, I reserve the right to be offended by your comments and have the right to respond to them especially when I think you are off base. Legal does equal right within the society that you have chosen to live in If you feel differently please remove yourself from that society /rant
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I'm also referring to internet prescences. A company that has a system attached to the internet. I'm not talking about Tivo boxes or SVX's. The main difference between the two is that you OWN the SVX and Tivo box, but you do not own the system for Bank of America. Also people who probe don't bother me. You can poke at the system all day long, but once you poke through is when it's illegal. I have the banking industry supporting me on this one. I was allowed the opportunity to break into a banking system, but I had their consent, start date and time, end date and time. If I gained entry between those days and between those hours, it was considered legal. Anytime before and after their approved date and time would be illegal. It was all spelled out in writing. Don't you agree with that? |
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I don't believe in the 'ethical' god, but something else, but I do kinda agree with the 'thou shalt not steal' bit. It's more like 'thou shalt not steal from me or my friends' . If you steal be ready to face the consequences. Every thief knows this. I would like to clarify that the definition of 'hacker' is someone who is curious and tries to find vulnerability in a system. They are not stealing or searching for anything other than the knowledge of how to exploit the vulnerability. They then may send the information to the owner/admin of the system or broadcast it to the public for others to know (they want to brag and they want the credit for the findings.) which is an invasion of privacy in my opinion. I mean it's kinda like hey look an open window, wonder if i can crawl in and out. Last thing Mitch. I've never used the ignore button. Heck I don't even know where to look. I'm curious to ask (because I've never met anyone who used the ignore button) you how fumed you must have been to hit that button? I don't think I'll ever be upset enough to use the button. I like chatting with people and I've never gotten close to a point of totally ignoring someone. Sometimes they say stuff that maybe useful or they are good to help exercise your mind by making you disect their thinking. Just my opinion though . Harry (misses Mr. Robert's replies.) |
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The server has been moved and I think
everything software-wise is happy now. Unfortunately, the electricians have not run all the wiring necessary for the new connection so we are in a jury-rigged mode of operation. I expect that all the wiring should be finished Friday or Saturday. Expect a few minutes downtime when we finally flip everything over. -- Jim Waldon <waldon@subaru-svx.net> |
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My heartfelt thanks for your all hard work, Jim. I apologize for the hijacking of this thread.
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Jim,
As an IT person to another, you ROCK! Well, that goes to Chris and all the others behind the scene as well.
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Lwin M. Maung (Member # 147) Current SVX: NONE Previous SVXes: 1994 LE Barcelona Red 107k 1992 LS-L Pearl White 143k 1994 LSi Bordeaux Pearl 220k 1992 LS-L Ebony Pearl 184k 1992 LS-L Liquid Silver 145k 1992 LS-L Liquid Silver 102k 1992 LS-L Ebony Pearl 123k Other current cars:2001 Jeep Grand Cherokee Black If at first you don't succeed, CHEAT!
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