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Just last month, a Volvo S60 T-boned a Monte Carlo at the intersection right down the street from my house. Very serious accidents happen at this intersection at least once a month...there are large buildings on three of the four corners, thus making turning a "cross-your-fingers" endeavor. Anyway, in this case, the driver of the Volvo was killed on impact, and the passenger sustained critical injuries, where all occupants of the Monte Carlo walked away with minor bruises. In fact, on the news today, a Ford Focus was literally run over by an 18-wheeler when it couldn't stop. They showed the wreckage of the car - it was unrecognizeable...the car was shredded. Both occupants of the car walked away. Point being, no car is safe. Period. This is a dumb argument, do you realize this? |
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If the passanger cage colapses and destroyes the car it will crush who ever is in the crushed area, you must disapate the energy arround the passanger compartment. BTW, that volvo story sounds suspicous, what happened to the Monte Carlo driver/passanger? Was said Volvo driver wearing her seatbelt? What was the speed?
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I only know what I heard in the news and from my neighbors, but here's as much detail as i can give: It was a Silver Volvo, and a White 2000+ Monte Carlo. The Volvo driver tried to beat the light and was estimated to be doing 50mph (in a 45mph zone) or better entering the intersection. He was coming up a hill into the intersection (Two of the roads are a fairly steep inclined grade entering the intersection, one is level, and one is a slight downhill grade). The MC was entering the intersection after being stopped at the light on road that enters downhill. So the MC couldn't have been doing more than 10mph. This brings me to the dangerous part of this intersection...esp on this corner, there is a very large restaraunt right on the corner...you can't see the road to your right until you are in the intersection. The MC entered the intersection on green, and the Volvo, trying to make it through the light, slammed the MC on the passenger side right at the front door seam. I can't say for sure of course, but I was told that it looked like the passenger must have ended up on the driver's lap, cause the passenger side of the car was pretty well annihilated. As for the Volvo...the police said that the airbags did inflate, however they believe that the driver's bag was not sufficiently inflated when the impact occured. They didn't specify, but I assume he was killed from head injuries. They also did not specify if he was wearing his seatbelt. All they said about the MC occupants was that there were three, and that they were treated on site and released. Which illustrates my point very well. You can be hurt or killed in any car. All those safety ratings and tests don't mean squat when you're dead. Last edited by Shadow248; 01-21-2005 at 10:25 AM. |
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but in genegal your chances are better in a car that is built with safty in mind, no seatbelt or siting too close to the stering wheel is dangerous and will nulify any safty advances. Also, if the montecarlo was hit at the front door seam then it should have spun arround and disapated the energy, while the volvo would have taken more energy directly.
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The point is, it doesn't matter how safe the government rated your car. You can still die in it. And it's still more dangerous to drive it than to jump out of an airplane. The safest car in the world could kill all it's occupants in a particular accident where the biggest POS would come out unscathed. You can't predict how an accident will happen, therefore you can't design a truly "safe" car. So why split hairs and worry yourself when this BS doesn't make a difference anyway? |
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I thought I'd scan your sites to see what I could find, some cars were on a somewhat level playing field, some were drastically different.
http://www.hwysafety.org/vehicle_rat...ns_front_c.htm Serious problem with GM as illistrated in my first picture. http://www.hwysafety.org/vehicle_rat...uv_front_c.htm GM again at the bottom of the list http://www.hwysafety.org/vehicle_rat..._overall_c.htm GM again from the middle to the bottom http://www.hwysafety.org/vehicle_rat..._overall_c.htm Again Here's what I really wanted to find for you, a real world comparison of how many drivers are actually killed in various makes/models. http://www.hwysafety.org/sr_ddr/sr3507_t2.htm Notice how the majority of the tables with american and foreign have american cars on the bottom end of the scale?
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This has already been done. If I cared anymore, I could easily go out there and find you 5 more links that support my side, but what would that accomplish? I've more than made my point here, don't waste your time on this argument anymore.
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actually you havn't, no comparisons, just individual examples that prove nothing...
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uh oh, Mandi's Grand Am has teh poor crash rating!
if you really cared for her, you'd buy her a Legacy.
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my SVX is going to need its second repair in 3 years. first, a bad $80 coil pack, and now a $35 power antenna mast. not too shabby. at 70,000 miles, my old Lumina was literally falling apart.
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If the safty of a given car dosn't matter why dont we get rid of seat belts, after all they don't gaurantee you will survive and in a few rare cases may worsten the injury. Same for airbags, if misused they can kill(mostly the old ones), so lets can those so ignorant people dont hurt themselves. Hey, non of the safty features will mean that you will survive, get rid of all of them and make cars less expensive! It may not bother you that acording to hwysaftey.org the driver fatality rate in mandys car is 150% of average and your bird is 300% of average. You have every right to drive what you want, but you specifically said that GM is just as safe as anything else before you said it dosn't matter anyway. Perhaps the powers that be really hate GM and just want to make them look bad, so they go out of their way to sway the results against GM. Maby. I don't come up with an opinion and look for evidence to back it up, I look at a broad range of evidence, hopefully from multiple sources, and spend time geting to understand it, then come to an unbiased conclusion.
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It may not bother you that acording to hwysaftey.org the driver fatality rate in mandys car is 150% of average and your bird is 300% of average. You have every right to drive what you want, but you specifically said that GM is just as safe as anything else before you said it dosn't matter anyway.
I kinda hate stepping in now but are they comparing these numbers to the types of idiots driving them...? namely camaro-birds are generally redneck beer drinkin leadfooted types, where as the the smaller (or less powerful) cars that have smaller slower accidents to cause less damage in the accednt un less involved with the aforementioned. (btw no offense to anoybody just more of a generalisation)
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