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The high cost of F1
Seems like we were just discussing this a few weeks ago.
From the new Autoweek: "Trying to slow rising costs in F1, Ford vice-president Richard Parry-Jones is proposing a cap on F1 teams' operating budgets. "We have to find a way to offer the spectators a good show without wasting immense sums," Parry-Jones said. "If we don't succeed in doing so, the future of F1 is looking dark." Meanwhile, Renault F1 boss Flavio Briatore has called for a cost-cutting summit. "This escalation is crazy," Briatore said. "The team principals need to sit down and cut the costs by 50 percent." --------------------------- One might say this is just sour grapes; an attempt to help end Ferrari domination.....but there is no doubt that the cost of this kind of racing has reached the point of insanity. Maybe, if the costs were lowered dramatically, perhaps more cars could be entered, perhaps three per team, and more seats made available for talented, drivers. Maybe even for an American? Don
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The teams will never agree to a budget cap for a few reasons. Mostly, I think they all know that as soon as they implemented such a cap they'd have to overspend to keep up with everybody else's overspending.
I think that they're all going to have to voluntarily cut their budgets because it won't make sense to spend what they're spending. Or they'll keep spending what they are. People who wave their hands above their heads yelling, 'the sky is falling, we have to cut our budgets!!!' don't realize that F1 is a business just like anything else. If costs have to be cut, they will be cut. If they haven't been cut yet, then things haven't gotten bad enough to cut them. Incidentally, I just watched the 1994 San Marino GP - the race in whcih Ayrton Senna died. Roland Ratzenberger also died during qualifying. Not only that, but a Minardi lost a wheel in the pit lane. Since there were no pit lane speed limits at the time, the wheel charged through about three teams' pit crews. What a horrifying weekend, but I think the Speed Channel did a great job covering it.
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Senna
Shoot, I forgot about that program. I had wanted to watch it again. If memory serves me, the in-car camera that showed Senna going off track was in Michael Shumacher's car....he was directly behind Senna.
Now refresh my memory Pockets...perhaps this replay was edited...but I recall a large amount of time showing Senna's car being covered and him being removed...even helicopter shots looking down on the car. To be fair, American racing is not the only form to have the media concentrate on the dark allure of an accident. By the way, the latest news is that the lawsuit over his death is being reopened in Italy. Every driver deserves as safe a car as can he given him, but if owners and designers are held libel for every racing accident, then F1 in Europe, and maybe elsewhere, is over. Don
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Re: Senna
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To be fair, as you said, I would expect that the footage of Senna being removed from the car was probably out of concern far more than it was out of 'dark allure.' But then I didn't see the race when it happened. Still, I definitely get the impression that everybody - from the fans to the crews - was terribly concerned and wanted every scrap of info they could get. That, and the race was probably stopped for some time. I imagine that's why the helicopter footage was used. Anyway, in lieu of that footage Speed had interviews with people about what they felt at the time and what everybody knew when. It was a really well-done show. Quote:
F1 is moving more and more out of Europe. If the EU isn't careful (or if they intend it), they'll lose every European GP eventually.
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Senna
I don't recall seeing him actually removed from the car since there were tarps covering the entire scene, but the cameras covered the location from several angles....plus the air. The only film of the wreck itself was from Michael's camera, and I think it only showed Senna going off the track. I may be wrong, but I don't recall that it showed the impact with the wall....it might have, but I think it was off-camera to the right. They did show that clip several times, but not as much as the media would have here stateside. They concentrated on a telescopic shot of Senna slumped in the cockpit. There was no obvious damage to his head from that side, if I recall, or they would have not used that shot. The car was blocked off from view very shortly afterward when the rescue people saw the extent of his injury. What a loss...
More on the court case: http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/news/story?id=1773465 Bernie says he would hate to see some of the old races cancelled but cigarette money talks I guess. Nascar can do quite well without it, I can't imagine F1 couldn't also. http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/news/story?id=1773422 Don PS...."Still, I definitely get the impression that everybody - from the fans to the crews - was terribly concerned and wanted every scrap of info they could get" I think the same could be said about Dale Earnhardt's wreck at Daytona, but because it's Nascar, the legitimate concern of fans and crew was perceived as something akin to ambulance chasing. "Rednecks" are often not given the same credit for compassion as other race fans. Since the hero worship for Big E was almost to religious proportions for some, the thought of him being seriously injured or killed was devastating. The number of stickers on vehicle windows and bumpers testify to the intensity of those feelings.
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Besides the shot from Michael's car, as soon as Senna was off-screen to the left, they cut to a shot from a stationary camera. It was definitely a violent crash, but it should have been a survivable one had it not been for the stray suspension arm.
I can't comment on the coverage of Earnhardt's crash - I wasn't watching the race.
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Just got back from a short trip, and saw your post dcarrb. I had forgotten about how long it took to get to Senna. In his case, it probably wouldn't have make any difference, but it has...and will...to others. I think CART has the right approach for on-site rescue and medical teams. Other sanctioning bodies could learn from them.
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(As I'm sure many know), NASCAR has eliminated racing back to the caution flag so that rescue personnel can take to the track immediately following an accident. Quote:
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To answer your question...
Pockets, CART decided several years ago to have one medical team travel to each race venue. This eliminates the variations in treatment that the drivers would receive at the different local hospitals....most of which are not experts in the types of trauma
experienced by drivers in high speed accidents. Nascar is considering a similar approach. I found a article that refers to what CART has done: http://www.sptimes.com/2003/02/21/Gr...on_of_sa.shtml Dr. Trammel has saved the lives of, and reassembled, scores of drivers. Anyone he trains, has learned from the best. Don
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F1 costs are high, but that's the price to compete.
Unlike....let's say MLB, the Yankees have the highest payroll ($183 mil), that puts them in contention every year. But it doesn't work for all teams....like the Mets $100mil+ payroll. But small market teams such as the Marlins were able to win the world series, and the Angels won with a $66mil payroll. Too bad it's not like this in F1....unless the first half of the starting grid crashes and/or has mechanical problems during at least half the races. Then you get smaller teams like Sauber & Jordan winning half the races and some REAL competition for the driver & manufacturer's titles In NASCAR, even the big money teams such as RCR, DEI, Penske South, etc have a good shot of winning, although smaller teams have just as good a shot. Racing in general needs more parity. |
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Racing is about excellence. (and the preceding period was an emphasized period). I think there are too many rules in F-1 now if it wants to continue to have bragging rights to the ultimate motorsport. I'd prefer two rules: 1) Team spending limit (total, not just the car), and 2) Specified engine displacement and minimum vehicle weight Where are the 6-wheel machines now? What about AWD that we all like in our own cars so much. I'd love to see F-1 paddle shifting in my car. Lancia once had a rally machine with both super & turbo charging, but it was legislated out of existence before they ever really debugged it....the list goes on. |
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Re: To answer your question...
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