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11-17-2005, 06:01 AM
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Some insight into Iraqi thinking. Here's a brief excerp from The New Yorker.
TESTING GROUND In the Shiite south, Islamists and secularists struggle over Iraq’s future. by GEORGE PACKER Issue of 2005-02-28 Posted 2005-02-21 Read the whole article: http://www.newyorker.com/fact/conten.../050228fa_fact .... Dr. Haider Mohsin, an earnest young internist, sat under a portrait of Ayatollah Yacoubi and explained Fadilah’s philosophy while, in the next room, bearded, leather-jacketed male campaign workers came and went in a flurry of preelection activity. “The Jean-Jacques Rousseau idea, the French Revolution ideas—we think that these ideas are typical ideas for the European society,” Mohsin said. “But how far it is from Iraq to the European societies is the distance from Islam to the French Revolution.” Cultural imperialism, he said, was the most dangerous kind of imperialism, and Iraq needed to resist the wave of low morals and rampant individualism emanating from the West. “One of the causes that made France fall down in the Second World War was the sexual freedom,” Mohsin said. He was quick to add that the Islamization of Iraq should take place by entirely democratic, constitutional means that respected the rights of religious minorities. Mohsin was equally distrustful of Iranian and American designs on Iraq; no country except Iraq, he said, could have the interests of Iraqis at heart. In Mohsin’s reasoning, the elections would allow Iraq to find the perfect balance of state and mosque, with the assent of the entire population. The opposing view was expressed most forcefully by Sary. “All the Islamic laws from the time of the Prophet until our day don’t show acceptance of democracy,” he said. “Show me any country where there is Islamic leadership that can accept democratic persons. Where could that happen? In Saudi Arabia? In Iran? I don’t think so, no. The secular people, the Communists—they accepted democracy. I don’t think the Islamic parties will accept anyone who opposes them.” Sary compared the prospect of monolithic Shiite rule in Iraq with the tyranny of the Baath Party. For this reason, he said, “religion is something between man and God and should be far away from politics.” Sary, who was protected by at least half a dozen National Guardsmen, added, “I’m the only one who can talk like that in Basra, and I know that, at any time, even I can be turned to smoke—because they can blow up my office.” The Arabic word for “secular” is a neologism, almaany, which comes from aalam, meaning “world.” It’s not often heard in public these days, for, to many Iraqis, almaany also means “godless.” As Hashim al-Jazairy, the dean of the law school at Basra University, said, “This is not a good time for godlessness. God forgives, but the people don’t forgive. I don’t know if I’m going to Hell or Heaven, but there I can say, ‘I’m sorry, God. Please forgive me.’ Here the people don’t forgive.” .... 
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11-17-2005, 06:23 AM
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Another fascinating read from The New Yorker
BREAKING RANKS What turned Brent Scowcroft against the Bush Administration? by JEFFREY GOLDBERG Issue of 2005-10-31 Posted 2005-10-24 Read whole article: http://www.newyorker.com/fact/conten...051031fa_fact2 .... The war began on January 16, 1991. An air campaign that lasted five weeks greatly weakened Iraq’s military capabilities. On February 24th, General Schwarzkopf, the commander of American and allied forces, unleashed a ground attack that quickly turned into a rout; the Iraqi Army collapsed, and its soldiers fled Kuwait on foot. The road to Baghdad was clear, but, on Bush’s instruction, the Americans did not take it. Although Bush had publicly compared Saddam to Hitler, the goal was never to liberate Iraq from his rule. “Our military didn’t want any part of occupying that big Arab country, and the only way to get Saddam was to go all the way to Baghdad,” James Baker told me recently. Afterward, Bush was criticized for the decision to end the ground war at its hundredth hour. Even some officials of the Administration were unhappy at what they saw as a premature end to the fighting. In “Rise of the Vulcans,” James Mann recounts that Paul Wolfowitz and I. Lewis Libby, who were then aides to Cheney, believed that a coup d’état might have occurred had the Bush Administration waited to announce that the war was over. At the time, though, no one close to Bush expressed doubts about the ending of the war, much less about its strategic goal. “For a bunch of years, a lot of people who should know better have said that we had an alternative,” Powell told me. “We didn’t. The simple reason is we were operating under a U.N. mandate that did not provide for any such thing. We put together a strong coalition of Gulf states, and Egypt and Syria, and they signed up for a very specific issue—expelling Iraq from Kuwait. Nor did President Bush ever consider it.” A principal reason that the Bush Administration gave no thought to unseating Saddam was that Brent Scowcroft gave no thought to it. An American occupation of Iraq would be politically and militarily untenable, Scowcroft told Bush. And though the President had employed the rhetoric of moral necessity to make the case for war, Scowcroft said, he would not let his feelings about good and evil dictate the advice he gave the President. It would have been no problem for America’s military to reach Baghdad, he said. The problems would have arisen when the Army entered the Iraqi capital. “At the minimum, we’d be an occupier in a hostile land,” he said. “Our forces would be sniped at by guerrillas, and, once we were there, how would we get out? What would be the rationale for leaving? I don’t like the term ‘exit strategy’—but what do you do with Iraq once you own it?” Scowcroft stopped for a moment. We were sitting in the offices of the Scowcroft Group, a consulting firm he heads, in downtown Washington. He appeared to be weighing the consequences of speaking his mind. His speech is generally calibrated not to give offense, especially to the senior Bush and the Bush family. He is eighty and, by most accounts, has been content to cede visibility to the larger personalities with whom he has worked. James Baker told me that he and Scowcroft got along well in part because Scowcroft let Baker speak for the Administration. I learned from people who know Scowcroft that he finds it painful to be seen as critical of his best friend’s son, but in the course of several interviews prudence several times gave way to impatience. “This is exactly where we are now,” he said of Iraq, with no apparent satisfaction. “We own it. And we can’t let go. We’re getting sniped at. Now, will we win? I think there’s a fair chance we’ll win. But look at the cost.” The first Gulf War was a success, Scowcroft said, because the President knew better than to set unachievable goals. “I’m not a pacifist,” he said. “I believe in the use of force. But there has to be a good reason for using force. And you have to know when to stop using force.” Scowcroft does not believe that the promotion of American-style democracy abroad is a sufficiently good reason to use force. “I thought we ought to make it our duty to help make the world friendlier for the growth of liberal regimes,” he said. “You encourage democracy over time, with assistance, and aid, the traditional way. Not how the neocons do it.” The neoconservatives—the Republicans who argued most fervently for the second Gulf war—believe in the export of democracy, by violence if that is required, Scowcroft said. “How do the neocons bring democracy to Iraq? You invade, you threaten and pressure, you evangelize.” And now, Scowcroft said, America is suffering from the consequences of that brand of revolutionary utopianism. “This was said to be part of the war on terror, but Iraq feeds terrorism,” he said. ....
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11-17-2005, 06:46 AM
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#64
11-17-2005, 07:18 AM
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25 statements, presented without comment
 1) "My answer is bring 'em on." —President George W. Bush, challenging militants attacking U.S. forces in Iraq, July 2, 2003 http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/...rj.nitop.bush/ 2) "I think they're in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency." --Vice President Dick Cheney, on the Iraq insurgency, June 20, 2005 http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/05/30/cheney.iraq/ 3) "As you know, you go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time." —Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, responding to a U.S. soldier serving in Iraq who asked him why troops had to dig through scrap metal to armor vehicles, Dec. 8, 2004 http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/milit...rmor_12-9.html 4) "My belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators." -–Vice President Dick Cheney, "Meet the Press," March 16, 2003 http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3403519/ 5) "F**k Saddam, we're taking him out." -–President Bush to three U.S. Senators in March 2002, a full year before the Iraq invasion http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle2835.htm 6) "Ladies and gentlemen, these are not assertions. These are facts, corroborated by many sources, some of them sources of the intelligence services of other countries." -–Secretary of State Colin Powell, testifying about Iraq's chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons capabilities before the United Nations Security Council, Feb. 5, 2003 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0030205-1.html 7) "Freedom's untidy, and free people are free to make mistakes and commit crimes and do bad things." -–Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on looting in Iraq after the U.S. invasion, adding "stuff happens," April 11, 2003 http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/04/11/sprj.irq.pentagon/ http://www.newyorker.com/fact/conten...1124fa_fact1_d 8) "Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed." -–President Bush, standing under a "Mission Accomplished" banner on the USS Lincoln aircraft carrier, May 2, 2003 http://www.state.gov/p/nea/rls/rm/20203.htm 9) "It's hard to conceive that it would take more forces to provide stability in post-Saddam Iraq than it would take to conduct the war itself and to secure the surrender of Saddam’s security forces and his army. Hard to imagine." -–Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, testifying before the House Budget Committee prior to the Iraq war, Feb. 27, 2003 http://www.newyorker.com/fact/conten...1124fa_fact1_c 10) "From a marketing point of view, you don't roll out new products in August." --White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card, on why the Bush administration waited until after Labor Day to try to sell the American people on war against Iraq, "New York Times" interview, Sept. 7, 2002 http://www.rotten.com/library/history/war/wmd/saddam/ 11) "We found the weapons of mass destruction." -–President Bush, in an interview with Polish television, May 29, 2003 http://www.whitehouse.gov/g8/interview5.html 12) "Those weapons of mass destruction have got to be somewhere!" —President Bush, joking about his administration's failure to find WMDs in Iraq as he narrated a comic slideshow during the Radio & TV Correspondents' Association dinner, March 25, 2004 http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/...ush.wmd.jokes/ 13) "We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat." -–Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, when asked about weapons of mass destruction in an ABC News interview, March 30, 2003 http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/111103I.shtml 14) "British intelligence has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa. Our intelligence sources tell us that he has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production." -–President Bush, 2003 State of the Union Address http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh072304.shtml 15) "Already, the Kay Report identified dozens of weapons of mass destruction-related program activities and significant amounts of equipment that Iraq concealed from the United Nations." -–President Bush, 2004 State of the Union Address http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0040120-7.html 16) "It's a slam-dunk case!" -–CIA Director George Tenet, discussing WMD and the case for war during a meeting in the Oval Office, Dec. 21, 2002 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Apr16.html 17) "I think the burden is on those people who think he didn't have weapons of mass destruction to tell the world where they are." -–White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer, July 9, 2003 http://www.rotten.com/library/history/war/wmd/saddam/ 18) "The truth is that for reasons that have a lot to do with the U.S. government bureaucracy, we settled on the one issue that everyone could agree on, which was weapons of mass destruction, as the core reason." --Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, "Vanity Fair" interview, May 28, 2003 http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/i...itz-iraq_x.htm 19) "We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud." -–National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, on Iraq's nuclear capabilities and the Bush administration's case for war, Sept. 8, 2002 http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLI...8/iraq.debate/ 20) "Had we to do it over again, we would look at the consequences of catastrophic success, being so successful so fast that an enemy that should have surrendered or been done in escaped and lived to fight another day." —President Bush, telling Time magazine that he underestimated the Iraqi resistance, Aug. 2004 http://www.time.com/time/asia/mediak...690817,00.html 21) "We know he's been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons, and we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons." -–Vice President Dick Cheney, "Meet The Press" March 16, 2003 http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/...r.iraq.claims/ 22) "I don't know anybody that I can think of who has contended that the Iraqis had nuclear weapons." -–Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, June 24, 2003 http://www.dod.mil/transcripts/2003/...ecdef0301.html 23) "In Iraq, a ruthless dictator cultivated weapons of mass destruction and the means to deliver them. He gave support to terrorists, had an established relationship with al Qaeda, and his regime is no more." -–Vice President Dick Cheney, Nov. 7, 2003 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0031107-1.html 24) "I am not going to give you a number for it because it's not my business to do intelligent work." --Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, asked to estimate the number of Iraqi insurgents while testifying before Congress, Feb. 16, 2005 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2005Feb16.html 25) "Oh, no, we're not going to have any casualties." —President Bush, discussing the Iraq war with Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson, after Robertson told him he should prepare the American people for casualties http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Oct20.html
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11-17-2005, 07:20 AM
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 . As for Iran, I consider it as the King of dictatorship and terrorism. But as for Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, Qatar and Jordan they still have a Royal governance same as UK. Quote:
As for this dean you are talking about, either he is not Muslim or he is stupid. because Muslims in their teachings and beliefs, they do "Jihad" which is some kind of vengeance or kamikaze act to defend a greater cause. so they never believe in "god forgives..." but rather "we are doing Jihad in the name of God." they also believe in the "eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth" concept... I know all about these stuff, i have read a lot about their beliefs... you can ask me whatever you want.
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11-17-2005, 08:05 AM
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Danny,
I have absolutely no clue about Arabic languages, so I am very grateful for your correction and explanation about the word "almaany". As always, any report or article can and often does contain errors, often through simple misunderstanding and miscommunication. In this case, however, is is possible that the word has evolved and gained a further regional meaning only within Iraq, more specifically a meaning local to Basra? I am NOT disputing your statements at all, only wishing to better understand. In English there are sometimes extremely huge differences in meaning from one English-speaking country to another. Take the word "fag" for instance. In North America it almost always is used as a bad word to describe a homosexual, yet in Britain it is used openly on the street to simply mean a cigarrette. Let's just say I was surprised the first time someone at a party in London asked me if I had a spare fag  You are incorrect in equating the British Monarchy with the Arab royal families which govern the various countries you mentioned. The Arab families hold absolute power, and most of the government of Saudi Arabia, for example, is comprised of family members or men belonging to the same tribe. The UK is a Constitutional Monarchy, and the Queen has no power to issue laws and decrees as she sees fit. She cannot change laws that she doesn't like all by herself, nor can she get rid of government ministers or other personnel that annoy her. The following is taken directly from Saudi Arabia's Washington D.C. embassy web site. "The King, who also acts as prime minister, ensures the application of the Shari'ah and the State's general policy, and supervises the protection and defense of the nation. The Crown Prince is appointed by the King. Members of the Council of Ministers assist the King in the performance of his duties." In other words, the King can pretty much do as he pleases, while the Queen of England must first find an elected politician to sponsor any legislation she might want to see, then have it go through the House of Parliament, where if passed by the popularly elected representatives it then goes to the House of Lords. The House of Lords can pass it or send it back to the Lower House for revision. Only once both Houses have passed a law can it go into effect. Similar to how the US does it, actually, except that the Queen can't veto a bill that has been passed, while the President can. In reality, the Queen rarely takes an active role in the day-to-day working of the government. So in effect, it could be argued that the President of the US has more power than the Queen of England, but much less power than any of the Arab Royal Rulers.
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11-17-2005, 09:14 AM
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Funny how when we found WMD labs built into the desert and the charred remains of portable labs that those stories just got buried. Even the Iraqi engineers who said they were working on nuclear programs got ignored by the press. I just wish I had the free time that others do to track down references.
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11-17-2005, 10:35 AM
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Bipa, when the Arabs meet in a summit, they all use one unified Arabic language which is the basis of our language. It is true that the accent varies from a country to another but at the end only the Basic Arabic constitute the point of origin to understand one another.
The word Almaany can be used in different meaning. The preliminary one is the one i previously explained. There is also "almaany bihi" = "meaning by it" and another interpretation of "almaany" = "responsible". Those are the only ones i can think of. If just you can copy paste any Arabic sentence written in english, i can translate it to you more accurately. As for the difference of governing UK and other counties in your statement you care right 100%, i just meant by that that they are not Democratic Republics, their governance is related to Monarchy type ruling. There are differences no doubt about it, but they don't have a PRESIDENT, but rather a King and Queen (and Princes)..
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11-17-2005, 10:51 AM
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Those Iraqi engineers (in my opinion) were told to say so to the American people so that you would think that president Bush saved you all from a possible dangerous threat... Now USA is repeating another Vietnam through Iraq, and believe me it is better to withdraw now from loosing any more soldiers. it is just a lost cause. Unregular forces such as Zarqawi and Qa'eda can never be defeated, unless a second Hirochima.....
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11-17-2005, 11:26 AM
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11-17-2005, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by mohrds
That is an excellent piece. The only things that would make it better was including when Sen. Kennedy told Meet the Press that "We know Iraq has weapons of mass destruction" Funny how when we found WMD labs built into the desert and the charred remains of portable labs that those stories just got buried. Even the Iraqi engineers who said they were working on nuclear programs got ignored by the press. I just wish I had the free time that others do to track down references. No trouble at all... I'll gladly do my best to track down those references for ya. I'll even make the utmost honest attempt to find proof that they actually do, or did exist. (I have way too much time on my hands! )I start my search on  .com, using the following parameters: wmd lab desert iraq . My comments in blueThe Command Post - Iraq - "Blow to Blair over 'mobile labs'" The URL is >Official: CIA holds position on Iraqi mobile labs< Maybe somebody ... While having a lot of people believe they are WMD labs doesn't make it so, ... www.command-post.org/2_archives/007521.html - 95k - Cached - Similar pages nope, June 11, 2003 refers to The Observer and The New York Times as how vehicles that were found weren't germ labs after all. But perhaps there were others, so I keep going The Command Post - Iraq - Another Iraq germ-weapon Lab discovered May 13, 2003. Another Iraq germ-weapon Lab discovered. Reuters ... Considering the number of claimed WMD labs, weapons, sites, dumps, etc., that has all not ... www.command-post.org/archives/006987.html - 92k - Cached - Similar pages comments here on a Reuters blurb: "U.S. forces in northern Iraq have found a suspected mobile biological weapons production laboratory that a top commander described on Tuesday as almost identical to another found nearby last month. Maj. Gen. David Petraeus, commander of the Army's 101st Airborne Division, also raised the possibility that Iraqi President Saddam Hussein's toppled government long ago destroyed its stocks of chemical and biological weapons." hmm.. now this one needs a follow-up so back to I go with new search, hoping it isn't the false find from first search result DoD Report: US Troops Find Second Biological Weapons Trailer Near ... "The suspected mobile biological agent production lab found on 9 May in our ... The trailer found April 19 by US troops outside the northern Iraqi city of ... japan.usembassy.gov/e/p/tp-20030514a1.html - 9k - Cached - Similar pages This is a more detailed description of both finds - on Apr 19 and May 9, but investigation is ongoing, nothing conclusive as of May 14 2003 when this was written, so I keep searching CBS News | Labs Are Best US WMD Evidence | May 29, 2003 14:51:27 ... but US experts have concluded "biological weapons production is the only ... A third trailer, found in Baghdad, is a mobile toxicology laboratory from ... www.cbsnews.com/stories/ 2003/05/28/iraq/main555876.shtml - 59k - Cached - Similar pages "The report from the CIA and the Defense Intelligence Agency calls it the "strongest evidence to date that Iraq was hiding a biological warfare program." It says three specially designed trucks found in Iraq match the descriptions supplied by an Iraqi chemical engineer who managed one of the mobile plants, reports CBS News Correspondent Howard Arenstein, although they seem to incorporate some design improvements....The reports about the trailers, based largely on the Iraqi engineer's description, were a key component of Secretary of State Colin Powell's February 2003 presentation to the United Nations regarding Iraq's alleged weapons programs." ok... was confused for a while, but figured it out. Powell did his presentation in February before any mobile labs were found, based on info from Iraqi scientists. THEN they found the mobile labs in April and May. Investigation of the labs is still ongoing. I'm finding lots of news reports in a variety of sources about finding the mobile labs, but no report yet about what they actually are. Also not finding any reports about any other labs found in the desert, charred or otherwise. Still looking. CNN.com - Tests rule out suspect bio-labs - Apr. 15, 2003The buried labs US troops found last week were not the mobile chemical and biological weapons labs one US Army ... New York Times: Syria fears the unknown ... http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/...j.irq.no.labs/ - 45k - Cached - Similar pages "The buried labs U.S. troops found last week were not the mobile chemical and biological weapons labs one U.S. Army general suspected, according to the head of an expert team brought in to examine them. " are these the buried labs you're talking about? Iraqi "bioweapons" trailers: another "smoking gun" goes up in smoke ... trace of biological agents that would be used in weapons production were found ... While these inspectors have the greatest knowledge of Iraqi weapons ... http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/ju...iraq-j12.shtml - 23k - Cached - Similar pages although I don't consider the World Socialist Web Site as a dependable source, they are quoting the articles in The Observer and The New York Times. Since the socialist story is dated June 12, 2003 and makes references to both Powell's speech and the later finds, it seems as though there is a direct connection after all between the three. But I refuse on principle to take the word of a socialist web site, so I'm still looking for confirmation. Perhaps it is time to take an actual look at The Observer and The New York Times stories. Decided to first try a search on the DoD or other official US armed forces web sites. Nothing yet about the suspected wmd mobile labs, but got sidetracked for a while about women being considered for front line combat: "The Army for the first time is placing women in support units at the front lines of combat because of a shortage of skilled male soldiers available for duty in Iraq and is considering a repeal of the decade-old rule that prohibits women from being deployed alongside combat forces." OK... back to wmd I go... Got sidetracked again! But ended up with a Boston Globe story from January 2005 that mentions the final U.S. intelligence report on weapons of mass destruction in Iraq was due in the next month. Good lead there Commission on the Intelligence Capabilities of the United States ... Intelligence of the United States Regarding Weapons of Mass Destruction Seal ... REPORT TO THE PRESIDENT, MARCH 31, 2005. WMD Commission Report to the ... www.wmd.gov/report/ - 11k - Cached - Similar pages A fascinating read, but unfortunately, this isn't what we're looking for. "First, we were not asked to determine whether Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. That was the mandate of the Iraq Survey Group; our mission is to investigate the reasons why the Intelligence Community's pre-war assessments were so different from what the Iraq Survey Group found after the war." OK... let's see what the Iraq Survey Group has to say... Darn... the March 2005 report is actually just an addendum to the original final report from Sep 30, 2004. I gotta go to the bigger report. Comprehensive Report of the Special Advisor to the DCI on Iraq’s WMD In March 2005, the Special Advisor added addenda to his original report: ... Charles Duelfer's Transmittal Message · Acknowledgements · Scope Note ... www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd_2004/ - 8k - Cached - Similar pages Yeehaw! Methinks I found it... now wading through Biological Warfare Annex C, ISG Investigation of Iraq’s Reported Mobile Biological Warfare Agent Production Capability. Well, I was close, I actually want Biological Warfare Annex D http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_...ap6_annxD.html ISG judged the mobile units were impractical for biological agent production and almost certainly designed and built for the generation of hydrogen. You can read the details at the web site given above. There ya go! Sorry it took so long  By the way, here's the story from The Observer http://observer.guardian.co.uk/iraq/...973195,00.html
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11-17-2005, 01:08 PM
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Sorry Bipa the only thing i read from your post is this:
ISG judged the mobile units were impractical for biological agent production and almost certainly designed and built for the generation of hydrogen. I think we should shorten our replies the both of us. Because it is becoming "user-unfriendly" or more like "reader-unfriendly"
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11-17-2005, 01:23 PM
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Nope, yup, you're right, sorry ... wanted to show the process
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11-17-2005, 01:45 PM
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Just summaries Bipa...
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11-17-2005, 02:23 PM
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Thanks for the research Bipa! I did read it all
While following your links, I stumbled across this: "In mid-2003, Dr. Mahdi Shakar Ghali Al ‘Ubaydi provided Coalition forces with centrifuge components and a complete set of workable centrifuge blueprints, which he, reportedly, had hidden at his home for the purpose of reconstituting the centrifuge enrichment program after sanctions were lifted. Al ‘Ubaydi reportedly hid these items in 1991, a move approved later that year by Husayn Kamil—Saddam’s son-in-law and former head of Iraq’s WMD programs. Qusay reportedly confirmed the order in 1992, but al ‘Al ‘Ubaydi had not been contacted since. ISG is not able to show that the Iraqi Government continued to be aware of Al ‘Ubaydi’s concealment activities or otherwise planned to use them as part of a plan to reconstitute the centrifuge program." http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd_2004/chap4.html That is the report that I was thinking of. I guess we will never know who was telling the truth. The underground lab info you found was not what I was looking for. I remember seeing it on public TV where the bunker was built into a sand dune so it was invisible to satellite imaging. I'll have to browse through some more to see if I can find what they discovered in them. Doug
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