Before you Vote in Nov, you should read this

[lee]

Originally posted by GreenMarineSVX
Hate to say it, but when I vote this time around.... I'm gonna vote for Bush again... He takes care of the Military, and that is a VERY VERY BIG issue for me... snip...

Think carefully Green, Secretary Rumsfeld (who works for Bush last time I checked), in testimony to Congress a few years ago proposed cutting the Air Force, Navy and USMC authorized end strength by 15,000 men, and holding the Army at it's current strength.

Fortunately for all of us, the House and Senate (mostly Republican) disagreed with the President's man and had the guts to go against their party lead to hold USAF/USN/USMC end-strength and increased the Army.

An excerpt from Defenselink

By Jim Garamone
American Forces Press Service

WASHINGTON, Nov. 21, 2003 – The fiscal 2004 National Defense Authorization Act pluses up military pay accounts and creates a whole new civilian personnel system.
...snip...

The administration did not request this plus-up. ...snip.

note the bolding & snipping was done by me to cut space and emphasize the general idea.

[ensteele]

Originally posted by sidewinder



Sean Hannity and Alan Colmes (who describes himself as not liberal but moderate These guys are not balanced. Atleast on CNN's Crossfire, they do have both sides represented.

Alan Colmes is not a moderate as far as I am concerned. Fox is fair and balanced (far more than other stations) and do have both sides represented. I can't even watch the others.

The very definition of comedy is a debate between Bill O'Reilly and Michael Moore. They're both extremely biased idiots who refuse to acknowledge any logical argument.

I'm sick of this two-party BS. They're both right-wing authoritarian scumbags who want to regulate my life. There's hardly any difference.

I'm voting for Badnarik. He's not gonna win, but I'm not gonna give my support to either of those bigshot morons.

[mohrds]

On a scale of 1 - 10, 1 being radical conservative and 10 being radically liberal with 5 being moderate, the following applies:

Rush Limbaugh: 1
FoxNews: 4
ABC News: 7
CBS News: 8
NBC News: 8
NPR: 9
Dave Letterman and Jay Leno: 8

I love NPR's "fair and balanced", they have a left wing liberal (10)and a moderate democrat (6) and call it representing both sides

Doug

[Sidewinder]

Originally posted by Motorsport-SVX


But guess what, the 380 tons of explosives were never under US guard. No, they were removed well before the US military even had control of Baghdad back in April of 2003!!!

From everything I've read thus far, the weapons disappeared between March and May of 2003. The inspectors from the IAEA visited the site from March 9th through the 15th and reported the seals were intact.

Then, on March 20th, the US invasion began. On April 3rd, the 3rd Infantry Division arrives at the Al-Qaqaa site and stays for several days. No searched for explosives are conducted. On April 9th the 3rd Infantry captures Baghdad (same day that huge Saddam Statue came down). On April 10th, the 101st Airborne arrives for 24 hours to search for chemical weapons. No search is conducted for high explosives.

On May 3rd, the IAEA notifies the US in Vienna that the Al-Qaqaa should be inspected for explosives. On May 8th an American survey team returns to Al-Qaqaa and searches the Latifiyah Phosgene Facility and finds heavy looting. On May 27th, soldiers search for the explosives and discover that the seals are broken.

Now on October 10, 2004, Iraqis claim that the facility was broken into after the US capture of Baghdad during the chaos immediately following the capture.


So this makes me think. First, if all these soldiers were at the site in April, wouldn't they have discovered a plundered site? I mean, the photos that are being shown on the tele show a huge mess of shells and metal all about.


The 3rd Division stayed at the site for several days near the time Baghdad fell. Later on, the 101st Airborne stayed at the site for 24 hours and didn't report anything either. Of course, they weren't searching for high explosives, but if they were searching for chemical weapons, one would think that had soldiers come across a field of empty shells, then those shells would be tested to find out what was inside. At that time, we might have found out just what was at that site. But, it appears that the soldiers never found anything out of the ordinary (they only stayed 24 hours) and so they left.

If that is the case, then the United States was responsible for providing security after April 9th and so the United States is responsible for that site.

[Landshark]

one thing you should also know before voting is that the Kerrys pay 12% in taxes while the average working stiff pays 30% or more.

got a plan to fix that, Johnny K?

[SubaSteevo]

Originally posted by Landshark
one thing you should also know before voting is that the Kerrys pay 12% in taxes while the average working stiff pays 30% or more.

got a plan to fix that, Johnny K?

Just curious, what do the Bushes pay?

[Landshark]

Originally posted by BurgundyBeast


Just curious, what do the Bushes pay?

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stori...t.2000/briefs/

and the Munsters.....

http://www.strangecosmos.com/content/item/102952.html

[SubaSteevo]

Originally posted by Landshark


http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stori...t.2000/briefs/

and the Munsters.....

http://www.strangecosmos.com/content/item/102952.html

I don't trust the Kerry source
1. It's a site meant for weird facts, not a news organization
2. It was submitted by "Mike", who is "Mike"?
3. They don't even know how to quote correctly. Look closely, there are several instances of missing opening or closing quotation marks.

I really am interested though, so if you find a different source let me know.

Edit: Doing the math, the Bushes pay about 23%, which is still less than the average worker.

[Landshark]

Originally posted by BurgundyBeast


I don't trust the Kerry source
1. It's a site meant for weird facts, not a news organization
2. It was submitted by "Mike", who is "Mike"?
3. They don't even know how to quote correctly. Look closely, there are several instances of missing opening or closing quotation marks.

I really am interested though, so if you find a different source let me know.

if you're that interested, try Google. i didn't feel like searching for 20 minutes to find the exact answer from the best source. either way, Kerry says one thing, but does another. i do like waffles, however.

[lee]

Originally posted by BurgundyBeast


Just curious, what do the Bushes pay?

in the officially released 2003 federal income tax returns the Bush's paid about 28%, Kerry about 23%.

the percentage difference has to do with how their income is structured and what they can legally write-off...Mr Bush received about a third of his income from salary vice Kerry in what I assume was capital gain.

[Landshark]

oh hell, read these:

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/b...20041019.shtml

http://cf.us.biz.yahoo.com/ibd/041018/issues01_1.html

[SubaSteevo]

Originally posted by lee
in the officially released 2003 federal income tax returns the Bush's paid about 28%, Kerry about 23%.

Originally posted by Landshark
oh hell, read these:

http://cf.us.biz.yahoo.com/ibd/041018/issues01_1.html

Thanks, these numbers match up

[lee]

Originally posted by mohrds
On a scale of 1 - 10, 1 being radical conservative and 10 being radically liberal with 5 being moderate, the following applies:

Rush Limbaugh: 1
FoxNews: 4
ABC News: 7
CBS News: 8
NBC News: 8
NPR: 9
...snip...
Doug

If Rush is a 1, then Moore I assume would be a 10. I would argue that Fox (who had GW's cousin leading Fox News for the 2000 election) would be a 3, ABC a 5, with CBS & NBC a 6 or 7.

But a 9 for NPR? What program(s) do you listen to on NPR? I find Fresh Air to be reasonably balanced.

I wonder how many of us forum members live in a "Swing State". I long for the good ole days of Tide detergent advertising - I counted during my local news and over 50% of the ads were BS from one side or the other - and they get nastier each day. I'd ground my kids for lying as badly as our next president (whomever that is) is doing.

[Shadow248]

Hi there. I'm from PA. Enough said.

Every commercial break is three Kerry ads, two Bush adds. Then a commercial for a reality show.

Kerry and Bush have been to my area more times in the last month than all the visits by past presidents in my lifetime combined. I've seen them both speak several times, and shook hands with both men.

There's no end to the line of BS that Kerry and his minions will use to get into office. From made up "real-life" movies to falsified news stories to classics such as staged commercial interviews, this election has really shown us how low a man can go.

Needless to say, i'm voting for Bush. Once he is re-elected, I think he should call up John-John & Co and thank them for all they have done to help him get re-elected.