Pontiac/Holden...Vauxhall?

[Boxer6SVX]

So I just watched some Tope Gear footage of a Vauxhall Monaro... ok so let me get this straight... all u do is take a Holden Monaro and put a Pontiac badge on it and you get a GTO... BUT if you put Vauxhall badges on it you get a Monaro as well??? Seriously, someone needs to be shot for changing the name of a car so much yet leave the headlights, taillights and even the interior completely the same.... how stupid....Not to mention how could the British not see through this crap and love the Vauxhall? Hell its got the same crappy lackluster pushrod 5.7L in it. How much you wanna bet the old Goat lovers are scrambling to get the body parts from the Vauxhall lol So when do we get the Falcon from Australia? lol

[subi-crosser]

The 'duty's are so high, that only PARTS are imported. Then the 'in country' auto manufacturers build something 'different' out of the parts. They apply the 'badge' from their company and call cat a dog.

I have pics of a 1970 'Crown', assembled out of Dodge Dart parts, with a different grill and taillights, but they can escape the Confiscatory dutys by building the car out of imported parts. ( instead of the assembled product).
This makes for some very different animals that exist out of, shall we say, the same bloodlines as what we are USED to seeing.

The cars I speak of were built in New Z and Austrailia. Holden is a major player 'Down Under', and has the means to import whatever 'parts' they want to.

I think Trevor can testify here..

[Boxer6SVX]

My point mainly being that I dont see why Pontiac felt it was unique in rebadging a Holden Monaro as a GTO and noone would recognize it.. seems like a cheap shortcut and its pathetic to me. Cheating whereas other manufacturers bring something in-house. How can anyone be proud to have a GTO... All i see is a Monaro. It doesnt even look like a GTO. At least the Mustang looks like a Mustang and the Charger looks like a Charger lol

[Landshark]

are you just now realizing that the GTO is a re-badged Monaro from GM's Australian division?

is the GTO even still in production?

[RSVX]

hmmm lets see here... Grand Marquis/Crown Vic...

Lincoln Navigator/Ford Explorer...

its by no means something that hasnt been done before...

[n00b on demand]

Originally Posted by RSVX

hmmm lets see here... Grand Marquis/Crown Vic...

Lincoln Navigator/Ford Expedition

its by no means something that hasnt been done before...

Fixed your post

[Speedklix]

Originally Posted by RSVX

hmmm lets see here... Grand Marquis/Crown Vic...

Lincoln Navigator/Ford Explorer...

its by no means something that hasnt been done before...

Yeah, but I was always ranting about how they went about doing it as well.
You don't take a car using old technology and play it off as the latest best engineered NEW sport coupe. I would rather see them dump the biggest v8 they could find in the G6 coupe and call it a "revolution".

The GTO sparked the muscle car deal and the new one is just an insult. I don't have any personal reservations on the HoldenGTO... but hate them for how they went about marketing it... It is sortof how I get all "" every time I see a SAAB commercial bragging about it's aircraft engineer's latest creation... cou-rebadge-ough

[Trevor]

Originally Posted by subi-crosser

The 'duty's are so high, that only PARTS are imported. Then the 'in country' auto manufacturers build something 'different' out of the parts. They apply the 'badge' from their company and call cat a dog.

I have pics of a 1970 'Crown', assembled out of Dodge Dart parts, with a different grill and taillights, but they can escape the Confiscatory dutys by building the car out of imported parts. ( instead of the assembled product).
This makes for some very different animals that exist out of, shall we say, the same bloodlines as what we are USED to seeing.

The cars I speak of were built in New Z and Austrailia. Holden is a major player 'Down Under', and has the means to import whatever 'parts' they want to.

I think Trevor can testify here..

Sorry but I have only just picked up on this. The Crown/Dodge is something I have not heard of.

There is much more original manufacture down under than you may appreciate. Holdens in particular are certainly not simply an assembly of imported bits. Sure there is much interhouse trading on the basis of economics which is common world wide, but customs duty is not at the forefront.

There was once a large N.Z., assembly industry brought about by a shortage of overseas exchange, but this has gone by the board. The cars as assembled here were often altered considerably from the original, particularly in the handling department. Kiwis like to drive, rather than pander to looks.

[subi-crosser]

Originally Posted by Trevor

Sorry but I have only just picked up on this. The Crown/Dodge is something I have not heard of.

There is much more original manufacture down under than you may appreciate. Holdens in particular are certainly not simply an assembly of imported bits. Sure there is much interhouse trading on the basis of economics which is common world wide, but customs duty is not at the forefront.

There was once a large N.Z., assembly industry brought about by a shortage of overseas exchange, but this has gone by the board. The cars as assembled here were often altered considerably from the original, particularly in the handling department. Kiwis like to drive, rather than pander to looks.

My 'pen pal' Neil had one and sent me pics! It was 'duel fuel', had a 318 engine and looked like my mom's 68 Dart!

He also sent me 'Auto trader' magizines, a drag racing mag and a newspaper that showed pics of a lot of rooflines I recognised, on a lot of cars I did NOT.

I have an 'internet' pal that has sent me pics of her husbands Holden that looked like a 'Sunbeam' that I used to own, ETC.

Pre-internet, Neil and I talked of doing an auto parts import thing, but cancelled it over the tariffs that were being imposed.

This all took place 20 years ago.

[Landshark]

ok, what is this?:


concept car? body kit? this should have been what the GTO looked like.

....not this crappy Grand Am looking turd:
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