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[Noir]

Originally posted by Landshark


actually, i feel the average Mac user is less intelligent. my reasons -

- they pay more for less.
- pretty, shiny package - good for blank stares when nothing is going on upstairs.
- limited options - not much decision making going on
- "easier" to do things, but again, less options
- geared towards artists, as opposed to engineers, programmers, and scientists

that's my belief and i'm sticking to it. i don't mean *all* Mac users are drooling idiots, just on average.

lol, that's just a matter of opinion .

wouldn't you agree though, to really prove who's more intelligent, a test needs to be conducted on an unbiased sample of people, then compared each other to really get the answer?

[Chicane]

Originally posted by Landshark


actually, i feel the average Mac user is less intelligent. my reasons -

- they pay more for less.

How do you figure? It's a fact that macs get USED for a longer period of time than PCs, so maybe they're paying more for a longer period of usability. Sure, you might ahve some old PCs, I do, but I don't use them.

- pretty, shiny package - good for blank stares when nothing is going on upstairs.

I have an idea. Sell your SVX. Buy a camaro. It looks like ****, but HEY ITS FAST AND CHEAP! >rolls eyes<

- limited options - not much decision making going on

What exactly is limited? OSX is an incredible operating system, and windows is trying to catch up with longhorn, but that's going to be a while. Please explain what, exactly, is limited about a mac... software? Ha. Yeah right, I can do almost anything on a mac that you can do on a PC, in some cases, there are things you can do on a mac that you CANT do on a pc (and vice versa). The mac's main weakpoint (software wise) is gaming. They don't get many games. >shrug< If you're a gamer, get a PC.

- "easier" to do things, but again, less options

What are you referring to? Do you have any examples at all? Or is this just another brainless "imports are awesome cuz my family had a bad chrysler product once" post? Please cite examples... I don't think using OSX is any EASIER, it just makes more sense to me. If I want to do a task within the OS, it's almost like "How would I do this? I don't know.. will this do it? Hey, it worked!"

- geared towards artists, as opposed to engineers, programmers, and scientists

Geared towards artists? Sure, kinda, but it's also geared towards programmers. One of my PC zealot friends who absolutely HATED macs bought one 1.5 years ago for two reasons: The unix based OS, so he can switch to unix and do all his programming (he's a computer major, not sure what type, but he does a LOT of programming), and the superdrive, since at the time DVD burners were pretty insane, price-wise. Anyway, he still had his PC setup next to his mac (they shared the same screen), but he used the mac a LOT more often than the PC. As for scientists, I'm not sure. I know that there are a LOT of mac users in the univesity dept, not sure why.

that's my belief and i'm sticking to it.

Which is your problem. You believe something, and are unwilling to change your belief when more evidence comes to your attention.

- Rob

[Landshark]

Originally posted by Chicane
It's a fact that macs get USED for a longer period of time than PCs, so maybe they're paying more for a longer period of usability. Sure, you might ahve some old PCs, I do, but I don't use them.

its a FACT, huh? well then, produce the evidence. i think your main problem is that you can't seperate what *YOU* think is right from pure scientific fact. there are quite a few old PC users right here on the SVX Network. what you THINK and what goes on in reality are two entirely different things. *YOU* don't use your old PC's, therefore no one does. the "Mr. Robert universe" is not the same as the reality everyone else experiences.

I have an idea. Sell your SVX. Buy a camaro. It looks like ****, but HEY ITS FAST AND CHEAP!

actually, my Sony Vaio is kinda nice looking. not that it matters - its a freakin' computer! its not like its the first thing people see when they walk in my house. if i wanted, i could customize it with case mods and other frivolous crap, but i think that serves no purpose whatsoever and really isn't important to me. with the $1500 savings over a Mac, i could buy some nice artwork or sculptures if i felt like it. pretty lame analogy there, slick.

What exactly is limited?

say you need a new monitor/harddrive/dvd drive. there's only one place i can think of to buy a Mac stuff around here - CompUSA. i can walk into any Best Buy/Circuit City/Walmart/Target/etc. to buy PC stuff. the software available for Macs is much more limited than that for a PC. why? because they simply aren't as popular as PC's.

One of my PC zealot friends who absolutely HATED macs bought one 1.5 years ago

we're back to Mr. Robert's universe - your one friend.

Which is your problem. You believe something, and are unwilling to change your belief when more evidence comes to your attention.

i have seen no evidence. what you think, your beliefs, and your opinions aren't evidence or fact. you aren't even someone who commands my respect, so your opinions are of even less value to me.

so, to prove 'on average, Mac users are of higher intelligence' would be virtually impossible. there are too many variables to consider. you would first have to agree on the definition of intelligence. you would then have to find a way to measure intelligence. to be fair, you would have to compare Macs and PC's of similar purchase price. you would have to take a large sample of the population that fit the criteria, and measure their intelligence individually based on your defined parameters to arrive at anything resembling accurate statistical data. ain't gonna happen, so give it up. we're tired of hearing about it. i could easily say people named Rob tend to be arrogant in the same manner. how do i prove it? "well, i know this one guy...."

[Chicane]

Originally posted by Landshark
say you need a new monitor/harddrive/dvd drive.

Since it's obvious you are SOOOOO completely ignorant to the point where you believe a mac hard drive/cd rom/dvd burner/monitor is in anyway different than a PC counterpart, I'm not even going to bother. You do NOT know what you are talking about, so ... whatever. Keep proclaiming your ignorance. I hope you're happy in bizzaro world.

- Rob

[Landshark]

Originally posted by Chicane


Since it's obvious you are SOOOOO completely ignorant to the point where you believe a mac hard drive/cd rom/dvd burner/monitor is in anyway different than a PC counterpart, I'm not even going to bother. You do NOT know what you are talking about, so ... whatever. Keep proclaiming your ignorance. I hope you're happy in bizzaro world.

- Rob

i have no idea actually, i don't own a Mac. you can actually cram a regular CD/DVD drive in that hemisperical little base on those things? i'm pretty sure they don't sell those pretty widescreen Mac monitors at Best Buy.

[Chicane]

You're obviously clueless, and do not know what you're talking about AT ALL, so I'm not even going to argue.... I will point out that I asked you to cite specific examples on how a mac is limited, and you cannot.

It's quite clear who knows what they're talking about, and who is talking out of their ass here.

- Rob

[Chicane]

Originally posted by Landshark
i have no idea actually

For once you've said something true, and without bias.

- Rob

[Landshark]

Originally posted by Chicane
You're obviously clueless, and do not know what you're talking about AT ALL, so I'm not even going to argue.... I will point out that I asked you to cite specific examples on how a mac is limited, and you cannot.

It's quite clear who knows what they're talking about, and who is talking out of their ass here.

- Rob

so you can go get Apple accessories in any major department store? you never answered. not that i really give a crap - i was more interested in your statement about intelligence and computer choice. where's your facts?

[SubaSteevo]

Originally posted by Landshark


actually, i feel the average Mac user is less intelligent. my reasons -

- they pay more for less.
- pretty, shiny package - good for blank stares when nothing is going on upstairs.
- limited options - not much decision making going on
- "easier" to do things, but again, less options
- geared towards artists, as opposed to engineers, programmers, and scientists

that's my belief and i'm sticking to it. i don't mean *all* Mac users are drooling idiots, just on average.
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Originally posted by Noir
lol, that's just a matter of opinion .

wouldn't you agree though, to really prove who's more intelligent, a test needs to be conducted on an unbiased sample of people, then compared each other to really get the answer?
lol, that's just a matter of opinion .

wouldn't you agree though, to really prove who's more intelligent, a test needs to be conducted on an unbiased sample of people, then compared each other to really get the answer?

[SubaSteevo]

Originally posted by Noir

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Originally posted by Chicane

ALRIGHT, you have TWO groups. One is a SMALL group, of specialized skilled professionals. The other is an EXTREMELY large group of diverse people made up of specialized, skilled professionals, and ON TOP OF THAT, the average joe, the typical PC porn downloading teenager, the neighbor next door, the stupid accountant, etc. The list goes on and on.
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I think I have seen the light Rob. In other words, what you are saying is that:

Every MAC user is a specialized skilled professional.
There are no average Joes that uses a MAC.
There is no such a thing as a MAC porn downloading teenager. There are no neighbors next door that use a MAC
No stupid MAC accountants exist.

I think I understand what you are saying now.


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Originally posted by Chicane
Mac users on the other hand, are composed of a small group of people, that tend to be in creative/skilled/specialized jobs, and a larger percentage of these users have college degrees.
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Ok. I have some questions.

Is a person who is creative intelligent?
Is a skilled person intelligent?
People who hold specialized jobs. Are they intelligent?
Do people who hold college degrees intelligent?


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Originally posted by Chicane
What does this mean? Smaller group.. more specialized... more likely to have a college degree..... the average intelligence would be ABOVE the PC user group, since the PC users also have to account for a HUGE number of stupid people, in addition to their huge number of smart people.
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What you are saying here is that the smaller group does not have very many as you so eloquently stated, 'Stupid people'. Although I can find many examples of 'stupid' MAC users, you will never accept them into your equation because your mind is already set to the belief that MAC users have higher intelligence than PC users. I am willing to wager that the ratio of intelligent users to less intelligent (aka. stupid in Rob's opinion) users of both systems are the same. Because the ratio is the same, the average is also the same. No one has tested the intelligence of both systems users and compared the two. Because of that, it is impossible to prove that MAC users are more intelligent than PC users.


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Originally posted by Chicane
NOTE: NOWHERE, not ONE freaking spot, did I say that all PC users are stupid. EVER. EVER EVER EVER EVER. Can I get that through some of your skulls?! Is it possible?!?!
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Actually the thread that you mentioned that PC users are stupid compared to MAC users was deleted. I'm sure there are some people here that remember that.


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Originally posted by Chicane
>passes out due to aggravation in not ONE pc user being able to comprehend simple logic<
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And your point here is what? That you, a MAC user, are greater than all the PC users here? Since we can't comprehend YOUR logic, that our intelligence is inferior to yours? Which can be restated as we are stupid compared to you, especially since most of us reading this use a PC.

[SubaSteevo]

Originally posted by Noir

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Originally posted by Chicane

No, I do NOT just mean within my close group of friends.
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Wait, in your previous post you stated that:
I shall refer to all of my CLOSE friends. 2 of them use macs. The rest of them use PCs. The TWO that use macs are both HIGHLY INTELLIGENT people. Hence, 100% of the mac users (among my close group of friends) are highly intelligent. The PC users... well... I have a lot of highly intelligent friends, and some friends with a more average intelligence. Thus, the AVERAGE mac user friend I have is SMARTER than the average PC user friend I have.

You used that as an example. Looks like a pretty biased survey to me. You picked two of your friends who you feel is highly intelligent. Want me to have all the 'unintelligent' MAC users that I have seen to contact you to properly represent your average?


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Originally posted by Chicane
OF my close friends, it is true. Of my kinda-distant friends, it is true. Of my non-friends, and just general day to day experience, it is true (I've met professors who use macs, and they tend to be more intelligent, creative, and more into whatever subject they're teaching... that being said, I've had teachers who use macs that I HATE!!!! But I've had MORE pc-using professors that I hate than mac using ones.) And guess what? It isn't just me. Some of my PC using FRIENDS agree with this statement. Why? Because they are HIGHLY INTELLIGENT PEOPLE, and they can COMPREHEND WHAT I AM SAYING.
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Here we go again with a biased statistic. I really don't have any interest in the professors that you liked or disliked. I don't have any interests in whether they are dedicated to their work or not. I have no interest if they have the creativity of singing and dancing to teach a class or showing bland presentations as their primary teaching method. All I care about is for the tests I mentioned, how high would the MAC users score versus how high would the PC users score. We survey all of them and get their rank to average. That would prove it, not an opinion that you and your friends may feel based on whether you liked the professor or not.


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Originally posted by Chicane
As for them judging my intelligence Noir, according to you it'd be IMPOSSIBLE for them to judge my intelligence without performing a series of tests. I say bull****.
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You asked me how to gauge someone's intelligence. I explained the proper way of gauging someone's intelligence and you think it's bull****. You tell me how to gauge someone's intelligence properly. You maybe able to compare someone else's intelligence to yours (more, less, same) but please tell me how to correctly rate someone's intelligence. Apparently you know a better way than the tests I mentioned.


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Originally posted by Chicane
If you were to average the intelligence of the audience at a WWF event, it would be LOWER than the average intelligence of an audience at a symphony. No, I don't have facts to back that up (yet), but you and I BOTH know it's true. If you want to be in denial, fine, go right ahead.
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Your view on things is quite skewed. Based on whether you like or dislike something, you make all these generalizations to tell yourself that you are better than those people. Apparently you do not care for WWF and since you believe that WWF is stupid and the audience that it's gear towards is less intelligent than of a symphony (which apparently is something you like). Until you can prove your findings with reputable data, this statement is also false.

If I know that what you are saying is true, I would not say it isn't. You assume that I'm in denial because I do not agree with what you think is 'right'. If I believe that you were right, we would not be having this discussion.

[Stevebsy]

Why do you people waste your time posting in this thread??

Maybe I don't understand because I have a PC and a Dodge...

[Shadow248]

Originally posted by Stevebsy
Why do you people waste your time posting in this thread??

Maybe I don't understand because I have a PC and a Dodge...

I understand completely. I'm just resisting the temptation to join the argument by reminding myself that i'll just be wasting my time trying to show someone the truth when they don't really care about the truth.

Bottom line, Rob's wrong (again)...and Alan, well for once, he's right.

There, end of argument.

[Chicane]

Originally posted by Landshark


so you can go get Apple accessories in any major department store? you never answered. not that i really give a crap - i was more interested in your statement about intelligence and computer choice. where's your facts?

I have provided them, you aren't listening. Look, I said that in MY experience, mac users tend to be more intelligent than the average PC user. TEND TO. You all jumped on my for what was simply my observation, and pissed me off enough to use to research it.

A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF MAC USERS HAVE COLLEGE DEGREES THAN PC USERS. If you don't consider a degree a sign of intelligence, that's your problem.

- Rob

[Chicane]

Originally posted by Landshark
so you can go get Apple accessories in any major department store?

Major dept store= target, shopko, etc

Accessories= printers, scanners, mice, keyboards, speakers etc, then yes, they should all work on a mac.

- Rob