We Are Under Attack !!!!!!!!

[Noir]

Originally Posted by lhopp77

Danny, you never did address UN Resolution 1559. If the Lebanese government had complied with this resolution---NONE of this would be happening. Quit trying to totally place the blame on Israel----the fault lies with the failure of your government to do its job and Hezballoh who is trying to obliterate Israel. Israel is ONLY trying to protect its people and sovereignty.

If Hezballoh would quit wrapping themselves with innocent civilians and hiding behind them---there would not be that many civilian casualties. Besides the casualty imbalance is definitely NOT because Hezballoh is not trying---they are launching hundreds of rockets each day towards Israeli population centers---but many are hitting in open fields. AND--most Israelis are in bomb shelters during periods of these attacks. We are talking about relatively INEFFECTIVE Hezballoh attacks and EFFECTIVE Israeli protective measures.
Israel essential has the green light from most of the world to continue the attacks to try to render Hezballoh ineffective. Again---if the Lebanese government had done its job---NONE OF THIS WOULD BE HAPPENING.

Lee

Yeah I don't know if their government had the ability to meet Resolution 1559. It's like me saying ok Lee, Bob here is having a heart problems. I want you to do a transplant. Kapish?

Besides from what I've been reading, Israel DOESN'T have the green light from MOST OF THE WORLD to use this MEASURE to render Hezballoh ineffective.

[lhopp77]

Originally Posted by Electrophil

Does Hizbollah have anything that can reach Jerusalem? That worries us for if a stray rocket hits the Temple Mount/Noble Sanctuary area, and damages the Dome.... or anything there for that matter... we are going to World War III. There will be no stopping it.

This is very true. If Hezbollah does launch missiles that hit Jerusalem or Tel Aviv--there will be big trouble. The only missiles that can reach that far are modern missiles provided by Iran. Israel would retaliate against Iran for that type of attack. And the scary thing is that Israel has between 100 and 200 nuclear warheads.

Lee

[Electrophil]

Originally Posted by lhopp77

Don't generalize and just provide unsubstantiated data---list the Resolutions by number so we can discuss them. Can you do that????

Lee

Uhhh.. Lee.. You really don't want to go there. Israel is literally ranked #1 in the number of UN resolutions against a country. They hold this record due to the number of UN resolutions "condemning" their actions.

Israel has always had the reputation of "not playing nice" with the other kids in the neighborhood. They pull a lot of pony tails, and kick a lot of kids during recess.

[Electrophil]

Originally Posted by lhopp77

This is very true. If Hezbollah does launch missiles that hit Jerusalem or Tel Aviv--there will be big trouble. The only missiles that can reach that far are modern missiles provided by Iran. Israel would retaliate against Iran for that type of attack. And the scary thing is that Israel has between 100 and 200 nuclear warheads.

Lee

I hadn't even thought of the Iran connection. Yep.. It would escalate into a world war.

[SubaSteevo]

Originally Posted by lhopp77

Don't generalize and just provide unsubstantiated data---list the Resolutions by number so we can discuss them. Can you do that????

Lee

Sure, where do we start?



1955-1992:
* Resolution 106: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for Gaza raid".
* Resolution 111: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people".
* Resolution 127: " . . . 'recommends' Israel suspends it's 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem".
* Resolution 162: " . . . 'urges' Israel to comply with UN decisions".
* Resolution 171: " . . . determines flagrant violations' by Israel in its attack on Syria".
* Resolution 228: " . . . 'censures' Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control".
* Resolution 237: " . . . 'urges' Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees".
* Resolution 248: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan".
* Resolution 250: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem".
* Resolution 251: " . . . 'deeply deplores' Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250".
* Resolution 252: " . . . 'declares invalid' Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital".
* Resolution 256: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant violation".
* Resolution 259: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation".
* Resolution 262: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for attack on Beirut airport".
* Resolution 265: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan".
* Resolution 267: " . . . 'censures' Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem".
*Resolution 270: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon".
* Resolution 271: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem".
* Resolution 279: " . . . 'demands' withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon".
* Resolution 280: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli's attacks against Lebanon".
* Resolution 285: " . . . 'demands' immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon".
* Resolution 298: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem".
* Resolution 313: " . . . 'demands' that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon".
* Resolution 316: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon".
* Resolution 317: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon".
* Resolution 332: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon".
* Resolution 337: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty".
* Resolution 347: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli attacks on Lebanon".
* Resolution 425: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon".
* Resolution 427: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon.
* Resolution 444: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces".
* Resolution 446: " . . . 'determines' that Israeli settlements are a 'serious
obstruction' to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
* Resolution 450: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon".
* Resolution 452: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories".
* Resolution 465: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's settlements and asks all member
states not to assist Israel's settlements program".
* Resolution 467: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's military intervention in Lebanon".
* Resolution 468: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of
two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return".
* Resolution 469: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's failure to observe the
council's order not to deport Palestinians".
* Resolution 471: " . . . 'expresses deep concern' at Israel's failure to abide
by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
* Resolution 476: " . . . 'reiterates' that Israel's claim to Jerusalem are 'null and void'".
* Resolution 478: " . . . 'censures (Israel) in the strongest terms' for its
claim to Jerusalem in its 'Basic Law'".
* Resolution 484: " . . . 'declares it imperative' that Israel re-admit two deported
Palestinian mayors".
* Resolution 487: " . . . 'strongly condemns' Israel for its attack on Iraq's
nuclear facility".
* Resolution 497: " . . . 'decides' that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan
Heights is 'null and void' and demands that Israel rescinds its decision forthwith".
* Resolution 498: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon".
* Resolution 501: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops".
* Resolution 509: " . . . 'demands' that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon".
* Resolution 515: " . . . 'demands' that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and
allow food supplies to be brought in".
* Resolution 517: " . . . 'censures' Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions
and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon".
* Resolution 518: " . . . 'demands' that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon".
* Resolution 520: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's attack into West Beirut".
* Resolution 573: " . . . 'condemns' Israel 'vigorously' for bombing Tunisia
in attack on PLO headquarters.
* Resolution 587: " . . . 'takes note' of previous calls on Israel to withdraw
its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw".
* Resolution 592: " . . . 'strongly deplores' the killing of Palestinian students
at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops".
* Resolution 605: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's policies and practices
denying the human rights of Palestinians.
* Resolution 607: " . . . 'calls' on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly
requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.
* Resolution 608: " . . . 'deeply regrets' that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians".
* Resolution 636: " . . . 'deeply regrets' Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians.
* Resolution 641: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinians.
* Resolution 672: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for violence against Palestinians
at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount.
* Resolution 673: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United
Nations.
* Resolution 681: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's resumption of the deportation of
Palestinians.
* Resolution 694: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's deportation of Palestinians and
calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return.
* Resolution 726: " . . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of Palestinians.
* Resolution 799: ". . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of 413 Palestinians
and calls for their immediate return.


There's been more since 92, just didn't care to find them.

[lhopp77]

Originally Posted by SubaSteevo

Sure, where do we start?

There's been more since 92, just didn't care to find them.

Go ahead, find any that passed since 1992.

Lee

[lhopp77]

This thread has been forwarded to DHS for possible review of any pukes that openly support terrorists and/or terrorist organizations. It might get interesting.

Lee

[SubaSteevo]

Originally Posted by lhopp77

Go ahead, find any that passed since 1992.

Lee

Ok....


1073 (1996) Calls on the safety and security of Palestinian civilians to be ensured.

1322 (2000) Calls upon Israel to scrupulously abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention regarding the responsibilities of occupying power.

1397 (2002) Calls upon the Israeli and Palestinian sides and their leaders to cooperate in the implementation of the Tenet work plan and Mitchell Report recommendations with the aim of resuming negotiations on a political settlement;

1402 (2002) Calls upon both parties to move immediately to a meaningful cease-fire; calls for the withdrawal of Israeli troops from Palestinian cities, including Ramallah; and calls upon the parties to cooperate fully with Special Envoy Zinni, and others, o implement the Tenet security work plan as a first step towards implementation of the Mitchell Committee recommendations, with the aim of resuming negotiations on a political settlement. Reiterates the demand of #1397.

1403 (2002) Demands they immediately comply with #1402.

1435 (2002) Calls on Israel to withdraw to positions of September 2000 and end its military activities in and around Ramallah, including the destruction of security and civilian infrastructure.

[Noir]

Originally Posted by SubaSteevo

Ok....


1073 (1996) Calls on the safety and security of Palestinian civilians to be ensured.

1322 (2000) Calls upon Israel to scrupulously abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention regarding the responsibilities of occupying power.

1397 (2002) Calls upon the Israeli and Palestinian sides and their leaders to cooperate in the implementation of the Tenet work plan and Mitchell Report recommendations with the aim of resuming negotiations on a political settlement;

1402 (2002) Calls upon both parties to move immediately to a meaningful cease-fire; calls for the withdrawal of Israeli troops from Palestinian cities, including Ramallah; and calls upon the parties to cooperate fully with Special Envoy Zinni, and others, o implement the Tenet security work plan as a first step towards implementation of the Mitchell Committee recommendations, with the aim of resuming negotiations on a political settlement. Reiterates the demand of #1397.

1403 (2002) Demands they immediately comply with #1402.

1435 (2002) Calls on Israel to withdraw to positions of September 2000 and end its military activities in and around Ramallah, including the destruction of security and civilian infrastructure.

oi vey

[Electrophil]

I seen this coming.

[Electrophil]

Originally Posted by lhopp77

This thread has been forwarded to DHS for possible review of any pukes that openly support terrorists and/or terrorist organizations. It might get interesting.

Lee

Ehhh.. They probably get 5 thousand threads forwarded to them daily. I think they are just a little involved with the real terrorists, and not Americans exercising their rights condemning atrocious acts.

[triumph1902]

Originally Posted by Electrophil

Ehhh.. They probably get 5 thousand threads forwarded to them daily. I think they are just a little involved with the real terrorists, and not Americans exercising their rights condemning atrocious acts.

One could even call it a terrorist act...
Oh no! you better start editing ihopp, DHS is gona getcha

[Electrophil]

Hey!! DHS!! Bite me Beeache!!

(Uh oh.... Is that a helicopter I hear outside? )

[n00b on demand]

Originally Posted by Electrophil

The mentality is completely different due to generation after generation living in a war zone.

To tell you the truth...thats pretty much how it is in the Middle East and Asia. Pride and not being afraid is very high over there.

[lhopp77]

Originally Posted by SubaSteevo

Ok....

1397 (2002) Calls upon the Israeli and Palestinian sides and their leaders to cooperate in the implementation of the Tenet work plan and Mitchell Report recommendations with the aim of resuming negotiations on a political settlement;

1402 (2002) Calls upon both parties to move immediately to a meaningful cease-fire; calls for the withdrawal of Israeli troops from Palestinian cities, including Ramallah; and calls upon the parties to cooperate fully with Special Envoy Zinni, and others, o implement the Tenet security work plan as a first step towards implementation of the Mitchell Committee recommendations, with the aim of resuming negotiations on a political settlement. Reiterates the demand of #1397.

1403 (2002) Demands they immediately comply with #1402.

Now we are getting somewhere. You finally indicated that in many if not most of the resolutions there were two sides that needed to comply. The other side has NEVER complied.

Read all of the resolutions starting with 246. Review the other sides compliance, but in all cases remember that Israel is protecting or fighting for its very existence. Reflect back on how many times it has been attack by numerous countries with superior forces. Of course, considering that--Israel is going to be more proactive than reactive.

The Israelis are definitely NOT taking lessons from the French and cannot afford to.

Lee