BioPerformance Fuel Pills....and powder..

[Electrophil]

Originally Posted by TheRightWingSVX

Liberalism is a world view and not just a political leaning. It is a mental disorder as Michael Savage has brilliantly pointed out in his book "Liberalism is a Mental Disorder". You see this disorder causes a person to be negative about anything positive and positive about anything negative. So you are right Republican and Democrat does not enter into the discussion because it is a persons entire world view that is the real issue.

Then please stop the stupid jabs such as this one and save it for not exactly SVX.

Do these idiotic mothpills work or not?

[Electrophil]

Originally Posted by Myetball

For the sake of argument let's assume an average 3mpg increase in fuel economy. Okay, at $4 a tank ($1 per pill x 4 pills) that's $4 to get an extra 36 miles. At $2.50/gal. and an average of say 18mpg it would cost $5 to go 36 miles. Gee, you saved $1.

On the flip side, if you have one of those mystical O2 sensors and actually have a decrease in gas mileage then you wasted some hard earned cash.

Anybody fool enough to pay money for this stuff deserves everything they get.

If this is the holy grail of fuel additives then why is it being sold through a pyramid scheme? Why isn't this stuff on every store shelf in America? Why is the product website written to confuse customers. Take any legitimate product, read the copy for it's advertisements. They are written for the masses, so any moron can understand. Let's look at a word list from bioscam fuel additive:

molecular structure
Brownian motion
molecular movement
polymeric chains
Higher calorific power
enzymatic catalyst
impels the fuel system
Aromatic and hydrocarbons based substances

The copy for this product is written not to inform but to mislead.

I can just see some redneck telling his wife "these here pills have Brownian motion..." The wife responds "you mean diahrea don't you?"

As soon as I read one of the founders is an internationally recognized evangalist and church growth specialist I had to laugh. Evangalism is one of the oldest cons in history.

I find it hard to believe anyone would fall for this.

Well written. This is like a full summary of this entire thread.

[ensteele]

Originally Posted by Electrophil

Then please stop the stupid jabs such as this one and save it for not exactly SVX.

Do these idiotic mothpills work or not?

Please keep it civil. I don't see that you could be convinced that they do anything but cost you money. That may be, but it may be interesting to see what the results are. With all of this negativity, no one will want to give their results and we will never know what happened. Thanks

[James Scott]

Well, just thot I should make an announcement....followed by some important responses to Meatball's inspired [don't ask by whom] analysis:

First, I want to announce that Robert and Adam have filed for legal separation...and each have matching restraining orders!

Now..for Meatball's comments (will the illogical conclusions ever end!):

For the sake of argument let's assume an average 3mpg increase in fuel economy. Okay, at $4 a tank ($1 per pill x 4 pills) that's $4 to get an extra 36 miles. At $2.50/gal. and an average of say 18mpg it would cost $5 to go 36 miles. Gee, you saved $1.

The first two tankfuls would be $4...every tankful thereafter is 2 pills, therefore $2! the first two tankfuls have a special function...to clean your gas system (tank, lines, injectors, etc.).

On the flip side, if you have one of those mystical O2 sensors and actually have a decrease in gas mileage then you wasted some hard earned cash.

I know I'm not the only member here who has spent $4 to $13 for each bottle of fuel treatment...putting STP, Berryman's, Techron, and Redline fuel treatment additives in their tanks, hoping merely to clean their system....SO, it's not a waste, even if the increase in mileage were minimal! Also, how many people do you know....or have you heard mention..driving out of their way to save 10 or 20 cents per gallon of gas!? Your example above is almost a 10 cent per gallon savings, which some people would appreciate...PLUS INCREASED PERFORMANCE (that my SVX gets!)...AND REDUCED EMISSIONS WHICH WILL HELP YOUR SMOG TEST AND THE ENVIRONMENT! After the first two tanks, the $3 per tankful savings would be enough to impress most people! [25 CENTS PER GALLON SAVINGS!]

Anybody fool enough to pay money for this stuff deserves everything they get.

You're right! Increased performance, reduced emissions....and increased gas mileage!

If this is the holy grail of fuel additives then why is it being sold through a pyramid scheme? Why isn't this stuff on every store shelf in America? Why is the product website written to confuse customers. Take any legitimate product, read the copy for it's advertisements. They are written for the masses, so any moron can understand. Let's look at a word list from bioscam fuel additive:

molecular structure
Brownian motion
molecular movement
polymeric chains
Higher calorific power
enzymatic catalyst
impels the fuel system
Aromatic and hydrocarbons based substances

The copy for this product is written not to inform but to mislead.

So, because you can't understand some technical language...therefore..."they" must be illegitimate...and misleading...??? [Very interesting!] I wonder how you KNOW they're misleading...if you can't even understand what they're saying (because it's too technical for you!)? HA! The reason the founders of this business decided to take it to the people in a network marketing format is: They felt that the impact of this product (LOOK AT THE RECORD GROWTH DURING IT'S FIRST 3 MONTHS!) would catch the eye of the oil companies (who just posted RECORD PROFITS WHILE WE PAY ALMOST $3 per GALLON OF GAS).....that the oil companies would shut them down (SOMEHOW!)....BUT with the grassroots marketing ..and belief generated by networking...The oil companies could just watch as we "stick it to them", more than just a little...with this great product!

As soon as I read one of the founders is an internationally recognized evangalist and church growth specialist I had to laugh. Evangalism is one of the oldest cons in history.

I don't know Lowell Mimms well enough to make the judgement you just made. I assume you know him even less well than I do. I hope people in your life do not judge you negatively...as you have here to someone you obviously don't even know!

I find it hard to believe anyone would fall for this.

.....especially if they were prejudiced, negative and illogical!

Well written. This is like a full summary of this entire thread.

PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZ!


Thanks for letting me respond! Jim

P.S. ......just waiting for the results, My Man!

[Myetball]

Wow, someone is a bit oversensitive. Ya know, every time something rolls around that threatens to unravel the fabric of society, there's some scam artist there trying to make a buck.

How many people got rich off the Y2K scare? Oh my, when the century turns all the computers in the world are going to crash and the world will stop rotating.

Gas prices have risen sharply in recent months and many people are feeling the pinch. Unfortunately, this creates the perfect opportunity for con men to make money off other peoples misfortune. This is nothing new, it just surprises me that anyone still falls for it.

BTW, you left out the best part...the diahrea part.

Jim, I wasn't attacking you personally but you seem to have bought in to this snake oil as if you were a cult member. This is a free and open forum. Meaning, you can peddle your snake oil here but you also have to accept criticism. You can continue to defend your voodoo pills but you will continue to be criticised.

I don't think anything either of us has to say will end this debate. I will never buy or use this product and you are just a salesman, not a product engineer as you would like people to believe. So press on young man, you may even make some money on this. After all that's what it's all about. It has nothing to do with saving people money or improving emissions. What was it PT Barnham said? Oh yeah, "there's a sucker born every minute."

[Electrophil]

Originally Posted by James Scott

First, I want to announce that Robert and Adam have filed for legal separation...and each have matching restraining orders!

I get the SVX. If he thinks for a minute I'm going to let him keep it and destroy it on these pills, he's crazier than he acts.

[ensteele]

Can't you guys just agree that you disagree and drop all of this bickering? If you don't agree with someone, don't make it your duty to make everyone else think the same way. Both sides seem just as driven on proving the other one wrong.

[Electrophil]

oops! That's twice by the same moderator.

I'm dropping out of this thread. See ya! Have fun!!

[Myetball]

Originally Posted by ensteele

Can't you guys just agree that you disagree and drop all of this bickering? If you don't agree with someone, don't make it your duty to make everyone else think the same way. Both sides seem just as driven on proving the other one wrong.

Oh man....you're taking all the fun out of it Maybe we can move the debate to the not exactly SVX section and duke it out over there

[James Scott]

Please be patient....As the "Gas Pill Seven" do their mileage checks, gentlemen. I will keep you aprised of their accomplishments...so we'll know when they are getting results...and when they will be released.

[Of course, the individual members will post their results here...in whatever manner they choose...I certainly don't want to be accused of tampering with the results in any way. In spite of what some here have labeled me...I AM interested in an objective posting of results!]

THANKS AGAIN for your participation, Y'all! Jim

[intelisevil]

I'm not a member of the "Gas Pill Seven" but I wanted everyone to know that my gas mileage has been steadily improving in the last few weeks as I read this thread!

Maybe the warming weather has something to do with it . . .

Dan

PS: My closet smells like moth balls.

[NikFu S.]

My closet smells like I never use it but I am just really anticipating results, be them positive negative or neutral.
I want to compare them to what I will naturally get for an mpg increase as the temperatures rises another 50*F. It's a little over 30 here now and my mileage has already increased 1-2mpg, but there could be many not-temp related variables like the slow snow driving and spinning tires, warm up idle time and so on.

I drive to the opposite side of town to fill my tank at this one station because it is the second cheapest one in town. The first is much farther and usually only 1c cheaper. My work is somewhat close to this station so it kinda works out.

But if these are proven to work, and even if it comes out to a marginal increase I would be interested.

[James Scott]

Just a short note...to let you know a couple of the members are starting to complete their 4 tanks! Hopefully, OTHER MEMBERS will be able to report their results soon! Each member will choose how to reveal their results THEMSELVES on this site! Some are interested enough to even order more BP fuel pills or powder to investigate further...with their SVX's and other vehicles!

THANKS for your patience! Jim

[Dr.Outback]

I've been watching this thread for the past couple of days, though I did skip a lot of the argumentative posts.

First I'd like to say that since this is not a health product, using a free trial won't kill you. Unlike many of those fad diet pills marketed in much the same way as this product, and are now found to be potentially unsafe to your health.

I was looking over the ISO 9000 lab test, and came across an interesting figure. CO2 levels dropped by 25.5% as per the figure stated at the end of the test. Now from my understanding of combustion, a perfect AFR should result in only emissions of CO2 and water.

The reason we get HC's, and CO is because engineers can't achieve perfect combustion under all circumstances. CO is created by a lack of oxygen in the intake charge. There is not enough O2 in the intake charge to combine with the HC's to create CO2, so CO is created instead.

So what do you look for when tuning an engine to be as efficient as possible? A high CO2 level. Now many 5 gas exhaust analyzers include an AFR reading, but old 3 gas exhaust analyzers didn't. You had to tune the engine to get as high a CO2 reading as possible without pinging or detonation.

So what's with the lower CO2? It should be higher not lower. In fact CO2 can't be lower if CO is also lower. They react inversely to each other. Just an interesting side point.

One other thing is that this product might do some good, but because the driver knows he has it in his tank, he might change his driving habits unknowingly. Maybe beating the car a little more then usual. Of course the reverse is also true, the driver might unknowingly take it easy on the car, and see increased mileage as a result.

[Earthworm]

Well stated and during my testing I'm trying to maintain my driving habits. I'm also tracking daily temperatures during my testing as we all know that our mileage improves with the temperature.