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#46
03-15-2007, 12:31 AM
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I also don't think that sending our troops over there is for nothing. That is where the big debate comes in. 
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#47
03-15-2007, 02:29 PM
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Ive considered the military when I was younger because of the opportunites amd service to our country. But what are we really going to solve over there?They hate us and each other. Bring our troops home and protect OUR country not theirs. Like I said before if they want freedom bad enough THEY have to WANT IT not us giving it to them. As far as our "president" goes he was a bad decision since he was conceived, Im sorry thats how I feel about him. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figured that out, he is looking out for one person-himself.
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#48
04-07-2007, 12:46 AM
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My history, 11 years ARMY, deployed to Somalia and Haiti. Med retired.
The true break down of this is we are fighting a war that MUST be one at all costs. Our being there is not making them hate us, they are bred to hate us, there version of the boy/girl scouts is how to kill the imperial dogs of the west. There Scoobydoo and Teletubies is how the Jews and all westerners must die. We are dealing with people that would happily slit the neck of your new born child just to kill a westerner. We are dealing with pure hate. The Oman's have stated a new course for winning this war, they intend to out breed us and win by numbers (current US/Europe family has 1-2 children, Islamic 2-4 , Radicals 5-7) . If you take a look at what is happening in Europe you can see it in action. Slowly the population base is becoming more Muslim, and once it is built high enough that they can swing an election the real hell will soon follow. Look at the crap we have in the US, cab drivers refusing you a ride if you have a bottle of wine, store clerks refusing to handle pork products, people raising money to send to those that would kill us. You give Iran a nuke he would vaporize Isrial as fast as he could. Give one to Osama and a city near you would meet the same fate. Yes it sucks that our solders are getting killed, what sucks worse is that we are not fully 110% behind them in every way to win this war. A solders job is to go forth and kill/subdue the enemies of our nation, and if need be lose his/her life doing so. You have solders losing limbs that are wanting to go back and join there unit (hell im out on a medical discharge and I want back into the fight). We know full well what we are getting into and we do so with no thought and full knowledge we could be wounded or killed. We man the gates and take on the hoards so that our families and our way of life are preserved. What sucks worse is that our congress is being so chicken **** about this. It is NOT there job to make forien policy by vote, nor to engage in talks of it with other countries unless directed to do so , thats the presidents. It is not the job of the president to do what the people tell him to do, it is his job to do what is best for them, he is acutely aware of thousands of facts we have know clue to. Think of it as a parent to his children. I believe the true goal in Iraq is seen by many. We want a stable democratic government in place there and any other place we can so we have a platform to fight this evil over there, not on our own soil where are civilians would be slaughtered like sheep. We want allies that believe that the radicals of Islam must be stopped at any cost. Have no illusions. We are now involved in the fight of our lives. Being nice and talking peace will not help you in any way. THEY WANT US ALL TO DIE! That is there true belief of what the think god wants them to do. They will keep coming back until the end of time or they are all killed. They will take any path to meet there goal. You say oh my th 600 billion and 3000 lives lost? Imagine 2 million lives and New York vaporized in the blink of an eye. That is there goal, then LA, Houston, Washington DC, all the US. Yes we went in under bad intelligence, but we are there and have a duty to finish what we started. To pull out now would only do 3 things. We would lose all international respect, no one would trust us. Embolden the radicals, they would see it as our defeat and there victory. Set Isrial up for certain doom, they would swarm them if they were sure the dogs of the west would not try to stop them. We will win or we will die. Rangers lead the way.
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04-07-2007, 10:37 AM
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Those kids don't get any such message. They live in squalor and would probably be happy if they had decent plumbing. The people you fear are but a small minority, a rag-tag group of radicals that got very lucky once six yers ago. Our way of life isn't under threat by these people. We are doing more harm to ourselves through our economy and wasteful spending than any outside source ever could. Americans and our short-sighted, greedy, wasteful, blaming, violent natures is what will be the end of the US empire. If you want to finish what Americans have started, finish building this nation into what it was meant to be. Stop pretending it's perfect. People like you have this God-complex for this country and believe it's under fire from every direction as if it is the last bastion of hope for the world. Your paranoia rules you. Know this and a realize it will be your downfall and your own hatred will cause the end of everything you love and desire. Know it and become embittered as your world crumbles slowly into a pit of cultural stagnation.
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04-07-2007, 11:02 AM
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First off, I would like to thank you for serving your country. I don't think anyone really knows what freedom is unless you have been in the military. There is no draft, and only volunteers who are in our military, and I respect everyone who has enlisted.
Next, I couldn't agree with you more. It is much better to fight the war on terror over there than on our own soil. We are fighting an enemy who think they win when they blow themselves up and hope to take out a few others with them. That is hate! I see some of the same problems there as we had in Viet Nam. Call in and ask permission before taking out the enemy. How can our troops do the job they need to or protect themselves if they have to do that? I could go on and on, but I don't think I will change the minds of the doves that want to sit down and talk peace with this kind of enemy.
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#51
04-07-2007, 11:08 AM
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#52
04-07-2007, 11:30 AM
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I'm all for blowing these people off the map, just do it cheaply. I have no heart or remorse for them. But to pigeonhole them as an evil hateful people is wrong on a human level. You are doing exactly what you believe they are doing to you but it's your technology and veil of patriotism that helps people follow your cause.
It's not hate to them though. It's religion. I see it as religious fanaticism and while I do not think they should be converted I do think their religion is out of control. It is a minor problem. Our religion is also out of control. We are more of a threat to ourselves than any band of God-slaves ever will be. If we are to continue this pointless war we should be honest and do it in the name of imperialism and capital gain. We aren't doing it for our safety. We aren't doing it for those people. We are killing those people and making them and others fear us. Fear breeds hate and the only thing we have to fear is the hate we breed through our actions. This campaign is a joke and ole GW just wants to be like dad. Isn't that why he was elected? We thought he would be just like his old man. We knew one way or another he'd take us across the sea. If you didn't foresee it your are both blind and stupid. But what do I care. This doesn't affect me in any way. I don't care for people I don't know. Blow them up. Get blown up. You do what you do and you reap what you sew. There is no one to blame for your problems but yourself and my problem is seeing the big picture. I supposed if I had no sense of what is really going on I could go about my day blissfully, thinking all problems could be solved by killing some random idiots on the other side of the globe. Quote:
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04-07-2007, 11:31 AM
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The question I ask is why has our priorities change from WMDs to Saddam to liberating the Iraqis to what next? Why didnt we send 120,000 troops into Afghanistan to get the real problem-Osama Bin Laden. Also why has OUR government used more money to spy on AMERICANS than suspects abroad? Our "president"
 is a arrogant self centered worthless waste of space that if he wasnt on vacation at the time all or most of these problems wouldnt exist. Terrorists are an INTERNATIONAL problem from many ethnic backgrounds but why are we terming most of them from Iraq-hmm maybe because we invaded their country without cause and mostly alone. Seems like a "personal agenda" to me. If we are stupid enough to think this is 1945 and we can subdue the Arab countries into democracy like we did with Japan,Italy and Germany(yes Germany took a little longer) good luck. They dont care what we do as long as a few rich "sheiks" are in control.With this said this picture to me says alot http://www.greatdreams.com/political/bush_saudi.jpg God bless our troops but it IS time to bring them home where they belong.
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04-07-2007, 09:54 PM
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Follow this link, http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,249521,00.html and then tell me its all in my head, that if we just pull back they will leave us alone. I can remember in Somolia pulling guard duty, a local comes up to me and my friend on watch (a black man), he points at my friend and gives a thumbs up, point at me and draws a finger across his neck. I can remember listening on the SINGARS radio as the Black Hawk incident went down. I have seen and felt the hate. You call me a panicy nonrational fool, Ill take that as a complement knowing what I know and living through what I have seen. Please look into that link and read it, and if the special airs again watch it, it will scare the hell out of you to see the hate and conempt they have for us. More to read http://www.foreignaffairs.org/200507...y-muslims.html http://www.carlisle.army.mil/usawc/P...umn/peters.pdf and there is tons more of this information out there. You say im paranoid, I say your lulled into a false since of security. You say that our nation is not all that it can be? You may be right, but I daare you to find somewhere better to live. You say we are not the last ray of hope, if not us then who will step up to defend this world from the evil that preys on us all?
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04-07-2007, 11:15 PM
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2) There is no evil, only perception. You percieve evil and react accordingly. Others percieve evil in you and just as well. Can't you see you are walking a two-way street? You are as evil as anyone else. Do you not prey upon whom you condemn? Anyways the terrorist "threat" cannot be eliminated, and especially not through war with some forsaken place. Terrorism can, and has occured within our country, it can be bred anywhere. Are you going to police the entire world, forever? Are you going to tell 6 billion people how to live? The Chinese and Koreans are a threat. Why not go to war with them? Why don't we just eradicate everyone who hates us? All at once, we can have another world war. You'd like that wouldn't you. That's where your false sense of security comes from. You think sending young adults to meaningless deaths will somehow make the world better. War is what forged the human world. Everything is the way it is because of what is still going on today. Does it not stand to reason if this was the solution to this invisible problem it might have been solved by now? This bickering and casting about of weapons and infantry is a self-sustaining device. War begets war. Hate and violence beget hate and violence. War violence and hate will not subdue your enemies unless you have the intention and ability of eradication. We do not have the intention, and they do not have the ability. That is why this is a lost cause. A sub-par soap opera in the drama of life. This Iraq vs US crap is frivilous and to be quite honest empires of the past would probably laugh in our faces at how we are approching this ordeal. This country is still young and it's children are just that. Scared little children. You want everything you can have but lack the wisdom and temperment to attain it. I cannot imagine what it must be like to live in your world.
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05-03-2007, 12:29 AM
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Should we be worried about the illegal immigration that's currently taking place at our southern borders? I'm curious on what your take on that might be and what we should do about it. Quote:
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Nice analogy by the way. 'a parent to his children.' On that same token, can we get rid of Child Services please? The Department of Family and Children should also be shut down too no? Parents know what's best for their kids, even if they are molesting them. Quote:
Do you believe the Iraqis actually have the ability to come over here on our soil and slaughter the people here easily like sheep? I'm not so sure the civilians of the United States are that weak? I don't know about other states, but I don't see how those Iraqis could easily come here and kill Georgians. What I find hypocritical about some of your comments is that on the flip side, we are doing exactly what you're saying to them. Their citizens and members of the community is preaching the same garbage that you're preaching to their people. I wonder what percentage of 'those' people actually believe what your counterpart is preaching. Quote:
What's fascinating is that every empire, dynasty, or whatever you want to call them who chose that approach that we must 'kill them all' withered away. Will we face that outcome? Quote:
I thought that in a civilized world, if we f***ed up we should stop whatever f***ups we're still involved in and if we're really 'moral' like 'oral', we'd try to unf*** our mess. Guess we aren't that much better than apes no? Quote:
#1a - I wasn't aware that we were internationally respected. Internationally despised sure, but not respected. <shrug> #1b - Yeah, I'm not so sure that anyone really 'trusts' us. #2 - The radicals are already celebrating our defeat and proclaim that they are victorious. Since they are already having a good time, I don't see how we can embolden them more. #3 - So pulling out of Iraq is going to set Israel up for certain doom. I may agree that if we quit aiding Israel, that might set them up for certain doom, but how can pulling out of Iraq set them up? Please enlighten me. Don't get me wrong now. I'm not a treehugger (although I do like nature), I'm not against guns (I own guns, many in fact), I'm not a vegan (we all know that vegans are p***ies), I'm not a democrat nor republican. I'm a realist that believes that if you're going to kill them all, well go do it. Don't give me lame reasons why. Don't be surprised that there's blowback from the opposite end and start crying like a child who skinned a knee when encountered. Obviously there's no solution to this type of conflict or this would have been resolved a few thousand years ago. Last edited by Noir; 05-03-2007 at 12:38 AM.
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05-03-2007, 12:43 AM
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FIGHT FOR WHAT IS RIGHT! I believe there is more to the "iraq" War then what the news brodcasts... =[ unfortunately Bush is our president and i voted for him(no regrets) i believe it is going to get alot worse on the upcoming ellection
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