Am I allowed to write that I would like to hunt down George W. Bush, the president of

[Landshark]

Originally Posted by ensteele

After reading this thread, I am quite disappointed in the new "Political Forum" If this is what it is all about, I think it should disappear quickly. I am shocked at all of the hate speech that has gone on here - all in the name of politics. I would never want to be associated with the far left because it seems all they can do is bash or talk others down and never build anything up or have any constructive thoughts. They can turn something good and turn it into bad. If I didn't have to read these posts to make sure they were not getting out of hand, I would never visit here again.

but that was the problem, Earl - all this political crap was taking over the "Not Exactly SVX" forum. every other thread was Bush-bashing. i even made a catch-all thread to contain the crap, but new ones were always sprouting up.

PLEASE don't get rid of this forum - its easier to ignore than wading through the crap in the other one.

[ensteele]

I see your point! I just don't understant that mentality! I am a positive person and stay away from the negative. It is sad that there are people who are so unhappy with life.

[WGJ]

"I would never want to be associated with the far left because it seems all they can do is bash or talk others down and never build anything up or have any constructive thoughts. They can turn something good and turn it into bad."

So it was the "far left" that started the war in Iraq? And it was the "far left" that didn't show up in New Orleans? The "far left" is responsible for all our problems? What FAR LEFT? Anybody who doesn't slavishly follow the rightist party line?

So you've staked out your position so you can sit back and regret that: "It is sad that there are people who are so unhappy with life."

Think maybe the Iraqi's are a little unhappy about all their dead relatives and friends? How about all our dead and wounded troops? Think their families are unhappy? You claim to have read all these pages and you STILL hold that position? And the TRILLIONS being pissed away doesn't bother you?

You don't have a single problem with the way the gov't's run? Do you read a paper, watch any news? As far as you're concerned everything's just ducky? I find your sentiments simply amazing, so I'll leave you with two simple thoughts that explain why we have these discussions and why it MATTERS!

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

Edmund Burke (1729 - 1797)

A country which proposes to make use of modern war as an instrument of policy must possess a highly centralized, all-powerful executive, hence the absurdity of talking about the defense of democracy by force of arms. A democracy which makes or effectively prepares for modern scientific war must necessarily cease to be democratic.

Aldous Huxley (1894 - 1963)

WGJ

[Landshark]

Originally Posted by WGJ

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

Edmund Burke (1729 - 1797)

i agree, that's why its good that we did something about Iraq.

[WGJ]

The SUDAN?
WGJ

If Bush Sr. had finished the job in '91 by supporting the post-Guf War uprising we instigated and then failed to support, we wouldn't be there now.
And there's that minor issue of GW, Rummy, et al, LIEING!

[Royal Tiger]

Originally Posted by WGJ

The SUDAN?
WGJ

If Bush Sr. had finished the job in '91 by supporting the post-Guf War uprising we instigated and then failed to support, we wouldn't be there now.
And there's that minor issue of GW, Rummy, et al, LIEING!

You're right. We should bring back Clinton and Gore. They never lied.

[Suby Fan]

"when Cliton lied nobody died" -random bumper sticker

[Landshark]

Originally Posted by Suby Fan

"when Cliton lied nobody died" -random bumper sticker

"when Clinton had several opportunities to take Osama Bin Laden into custody when he was practically handed over to him, but chose to chase chubby interns around his desk instead, lots of people died."

i guess that doesn't fit neatly on a bumper sticker.

[Royal Tiger]

No one died in Somalia. It's all a figment of your imagination. The republicans faked Mogadishu in a warehouse in Nebraska.

clinton had his foriegn policy blunders. But by pulling out early (pun not intended but fitting) the Somalies declared victory over the largest most powerful military in the world. Afterwards tens of thousands of Somalies that wanted the warlords removed were executed in the streets. Because clinton was gun shy, we never intervened in Rhawanda and stood by for the largest human extinction in 24 hours in the history of the planet. Go use the same quote 8 more times, WGJ.

[WGJ]

Originally Posted by Tigershark

You're right. We should bring back Clinton and Gore. They never lied.

This comment is stupid on so many levels I hardly know where to start. Since you seem to have real difficulty following the point of this thread I'll try to simplify things. We're in a war NOW that we're in because the people in power NOW lied like hell to get us in it. Understand? Clinton and Gore aren't the people in charge NOW that lied. They may have lied, but they didn't lie to get us into the war in Iraq that's going on NOW. Bush, Cheney and Rummy, the people in charge NOW are the ones who lied and continue to do so, NOW.
NOW do you understand?
Doesn't matter if you're in elementary school or a leader in gov't, if you get caught doing something wrong, pointing the finger at someone else and whining that "They did it last week" will NEVER get you off and will NEVER be allowed as an excuse for improper behavior. So why is it everytime another crooked Republican gets caught or there's another Bush blunder, you guys keep falling back on pointing the finger at Clinton and whining "But they did it,too!", as though that's some kind of get out of jail free card? Didn't work when you were a kid, ain't gonna work NOW!
Grow up!

WGJ

[WGJ]

Originally Posted by Tigershark

No one died in Somalia. It's all a figment of your imagination. The republicans faked Mogadishu in a warehouse in Nebraska.

clinton had his foriegn policy blunders. But by pulling out early (pun not intended but fitting) the Somalies declared victory over the largest most powerful military in the world. Afterwards tens of thousands of Somalies that wanted the warlords removed were executed in the streets. Because clinton was gun shy, we never intervened in Rhawanda and stood by for the largest human extinction in 24 hours in the history of the planet. Go use the same quote 8 more times, WGJ.

No one died in Somalia.- Yes they did (sarcasm noted)

clinton had his foriegn policy blunders.-He sure did.

But by pulling out early (pun not intended but fitting) the Somalies declared victory over the largest most powerful military in the world. Afterwards tens of thousands of Somalies that wanted the warlords removed were executed in the streets. Because clinton was gun shy, we never intervened in Rwanda and stood by for the largest human extinction in 24 hours in the history of the planet. - Undoubtedly accurate with the possible exception of that last line. I know Rwanda was incredibly bad but I hadn't heard the claim that there was "the largest human extinction in 24 hours in the history of the planet." Regardless, you're right, Clinton was a pussy. We should have intervened in a major way.

However, if you reread the thread you'll find that the subject of "nobody died" was introduced by:

Suby Fan "when Cliton lied nobody died" -random bumper sticker

So you're attacking the wrong guy. Howeve, your position on Rwanda begs an answer to the question "Why aren't we in the Sudan?" Plenty of genocide there, but we, as self appointed Cops of the World, are not. Why not?
WGJ

Go use the same quote 8 more times, WGJ. - Which one? Do you have a favorite? Nice of you to ask for more quotes. I aim to please.
WGJ

[Landshark]

Originally Posted by WGJ

This comment is stupid on so many levels I hardly know where to start.

i would like to butt in and say that was awfully irrelevant and rude of you to talk to Tigershark like that.

[Royal Tiger]

It was satire in a way or more correctly sarcastic, and I don't have time to defend it right now other then I really don't care. clinton was so polarizing that Bush was the direct result. I hope we can move back to the middle with the next president. WGJ, I'm sure you and I can agree on that point.

[Electrophil]

Originally Posted by Landshark

"when Clinton had several opportunities to take Osama Bin Laden into custody when he was practically handed over to him, but chose to chase chubby interns around his desk instead, lots of people died."

i guess that doesn't fit neatly on a bumper sticker.

Now you know that's not true. Clinton had one chance to get Bin Laden with a high degree of probability, but there was a Dubai government plane there. He couldn't take the chance of killing off a royal family member from the UAE. He did personally cancel the bombing, and that was entirely reasonable. If he had killed off a Royal family member, the Bush family business would have suffered.

Bin Laden still hasn't been caught with the entire world looking for him under a different mentality. You think it was easier then? The Saudi Government has wanted his head on a platter for a decade.

[Electrophil]

Oh Yeah, there was a time when the Sudan government offered him up to the Saudi Government, but they couldn't touch him due to the political climate in their country at the time.

The Sudan's then offered him to the U.S., who couldn't touch him, cause at the time, they had no case against him. This was way before the African Embassy bombings, much less the Cole incident. We didn't have anything on the guy.