It's Not Just Phone Calls... - Page 3

lhopp77 · #31 06-11-2006, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Tigershark

So appearently your abilty to reason comes from out of context quotes for over 240 years ago. There is a list of favorable quotes by National leaders during the rise of Hitler, and we know how that turned out.

LOL--I second this emotion too!!!

Lee

Landshark · #32 06-11-2006, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by WGJ

I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
Thomas Jefferson (1743 - 1826), to Archibald Stuart, 1791

"Unga bunga binga bunga. Oooga looga looga!!!"
- Neanderthal Man (36,000 BC)

SubaSteevo · #33 06-12-2006, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by lhopp77

LOL--I second this emotion too!!!

Lee

And many of yours come from out of context quotes from over 2000 years ago...

WGJ · #34 06-12-2006, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Landshark

"Unga bunga binga bunga. Oooga looga looga!!!"
- Neanderthal Man (36,000 BC)

A witty saying proves nothing.
Voltaire

Landshark · #35 06-12-2006, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by WGJ

A witty saying proves nothing.
Voltaire

The ability to quote is a serviceable substitute for wit.
-- Somerset Maugham

lhopp77 · #36 06-12-2006, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by SubaSteevo

And many of yours come from out of context quotes from over 2000 years ago...

Show me one single quote that I have used from the Bible. Or even better yet show me where I have even mentioned the Bible other than "Bible thumping........". I have referred to religion, God, Supreme Being, Church, Christians etc, but I don't think I have ever mentioned the Bible as a reference and know for sure that I have never quoted the Bible.

Just the facts--no speculation or wishful thinking.

Lee

SubaSteevo · #37 06-12-2006, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by lhopp77

Show me one single quote that I have used from the Bible. Or even better yet show me where I have even mentioned the Bible other than "Bible thumping........". I have referred to religion, God, Supreme Being, Church, Christians etc, but I don't think I have ever mentioned the Bible as a reference and know for sure that I have never quoted the Bible.

Just the facts--no speculation or wishful thinking.

Lee

Dan told WGJ "appearently your abilty to reason comes from out of context quotes for over 240 years ago", to which you said "LOL--I second this emotion too!!!". He did not say anything about using quotes to express your personal beliefs, and I never implied that you had used quotes from the Bible in any way. My comment was meant more as a stab at religion then it was a personal remark. I recalled that you had mentioned something about "God" or the Bible in the past, and simply pointed out that it too is a book of quotes, on which you base many of your beliefs. I do not recall Dan ever making religious comments, or he would have been the example I used.

On a side note, perhaps even you can see the irony that when WGJ was accused of having non-original opinions, your response was "LOL--I second this emotion too!!!".

WGJ · #38 06-12-2006, 11:46 AM

and you've missed the point...again, twice in one post, equalling your own previous personal record.
WGJ

Electrophil · #39 06-12-2006, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Tigershark

No it's a mild intrusion to attain a greater good. The media spinning horror stories about reading E-Mail gets the normal idiot in this country paranoid. There is no way the FBI or CIA has the resources to read all the E-Mail. It is picked by set parameters. Don't visit anti-American or arabic web sites, and you won't end up in thier filter. Chiken Little syndrome sells papers and fires up the ACLU types.

+2 to TigerShark.

But..... Where is the line drawn? I go online daily to the english Al-Jazeera news site, just as I go to them all including Fox. In fact, My TV is on Fox news as of now.

But will the line keep moving right until I end up in jail for reading Al-Jazeera?

If Google has the resources to worm the entire Internet, the US government has the resources to digitally check every email in the U.S. and beyond for keywords and record them.

lhopp77 · #40 06-12-2006, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SubaSteevo

Dan told WGJ "appearently your abilty to reason comes from out of context quotes for over 240 years ago", to which you said "LOL--I second this emotion too!!!". He did not say anything about using quotes to express your personal beliefs, and I never implied that you had used quotes from the Bible in any way. My comment was meant more as a stab at religion then it was a personal remark. I recalled that you had mentioned something about "God" or the Bible in the past, and simply pointed out that it too is a book of quotes, on which you base many of your beliefs. I do not recall Dan ever making religious comments, or he would have been the example I used.

On a side note, perhaps even you can see the irony that when WGJ was accused of having non-original opinions, your response was "LOL--I second this emotion too!!!".

I have stated some opinions that are relative to my belief in God--for sure. But you state "many" of my beliefs are so based when you have no reason or proof for that supposition. Sure I have used quotes at times--like may something much less than 5 percent of the time while I was referring to someone using over 75 percent of their posts with many times totally irrelevant quotes. Many of the quotes are like your horoscope or someone telling your fortune---they are so general that if you believe in them you can make them apply to your specific situation.

My beliefs are based on many many different things including life experiences. Not mostly bible based. If there was the real chance for real open minded intellectual discussions on here, I would be happy to discuss a lot of topics. It might surprise you that I am not a total stamped out of some mold--conservative republican. The main reason I am a Republican is because I damn sure think I can spend MY money better than some liberal government that wants to redistribute it.

Lee

lhopp77 · #41 06-12-2006, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Electrophil

+2 to TigerShark.

But..... Where is the line drawn? I go online daily to the english Al-Jazeera news site, just as I go to them all including Fox. In fact, My TV is on Fox news as of now.

But will the line keep moving right until I end up in jail for reading Al-Jazeera?

If Google has the resources to worm the entire Internet, the US government has the resources to digitally check every email in the U.S. and beyond for keywords and record them.

I could care less who or what you watch. But if you start communicating with known terrorists or posting terrorist data on the internet--I hope to H---the government does track you and listen in. The line drawn where you begin to advocate or assist in doing harm to this country and its people.

In my opinion there is nothing wrong with the Gov calling up key words--like bomb, explosives, death to infidels, or other phrases that intelligence analysts have determined as problematic. However, I seriously doubt they have the capability to do the far reaching listening that you imagine. Again--if one end is in a problem country or person identified as a problem---DRIVE ON FELLOWS--I WISH YOU THE BEST OF SUCCESS.

Lee

I hope you enjoyed the O'Reilly special on Gitmo.

Lee

SubaSteevo · #42 06-12-2006, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by lhopp77

I have stated some opinions that are relative to my belief in God--for sure. But you state "many" of my beliefs are so based when you have no reason or proof for that supposition. Sure I have used quotes at times--like may something much less than 5 percent of the time while I was referring to someone using over 75 percent of their posts with many times totally irrelevant quotes. Many of the quotes are like your horoscope or someone telling your fortune---they are so general that if you believe in them you can make them apply to your specific situation.

My beliefs are based on many many different things including life experiences. Not mostly bible based. If there was the real chance for real open minded intellectual discussions on here, I would be happy to discuss a lot of topics. It might surprise you that I am not a total stamped out of some mold--conservative republican. The main reason I am a Republican is because I damn sure think I can spend MY money better than some liberal government that wants to redistribute it.

Lee

My intention was not to question your beliefs or reasons for your beliefs in "God", you have your reasons for yours, just as I have my reasons for mine otherwise. My point is that many of the faults we so adamantly point out in others can oftentimes be just as much a part of ourselves.
It does not bother me any more that you are a Republican than it does that someone else may be a Democrat. When we place labels on ourselves as a member of a group, at what point do your beliefs end and the beliefs of the group begin? Are your beliefs even truely your beliefs, or have they been altered by the group membership?
What does bother me is that you (and I mean a collective you, not you personally) feel that the best way to express your opinion is to scream it so loud you cannot hear anything to the contrary. Are you familiar with the term synergy? If you are not, by definition it means that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. If people spent as much time listening to the ideas of others as they did argueing their own beliefs, society as a whole would benefit.

...and you can quote me on that

Royal Tiger · #43 06-16-2006, 07:50 AM

The majority of people who wrap themselves in personal freedom, are those that exploit it. - Me

Go watch a criminal trial one day and see how far we have strayed from common sense in the courts these days.

drivemusicnow · #44 06-16-2006, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Tigershark

The majority of people who wrap themselves in personal freedom, are those that exploit it. - Me

So?

I honestly think it is laughable that you, and landshark, and lhopp can so easily shrug off the neccesity of the liberties and freedoms our country was founded upon.

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No it's a mild intrusion to attain a greater good. The media spinning horror stories about reading E-Mail gets the normal idiot in this country paranoid. There is no way the FBI or CIA has the resources to read all the E-Mail. It is picked by set parameters. Don't visit anti-American or arabic web sites, and you won't end up in thier filter. Chiken Little syndrome sells papers and fires up the ACLU types.

You announce that the fear caused by the "chicken little syndrome

" is the problem that makes members of our society paranoid.

However the unsubstantiated paranoia comes from our gov't in their attempt to cause a blanket fear of terrorism in every citizen in our country. This undefinable, unrecognizable "Enemy" that can never be defeated in the full sense of the word.

We're fighting a fight that we cannot win. We're fighting a fight that, even if we could win, we wouldn't know when we had.

History shows us the error in our ways, however we cannot see it. There will ALWAYS be people that hate you for who you are. look at the palestinians and the Israelis. That cannot be fixed. We can invade as many countries and set up new governments, and support countries, and arrest terrorists... But when it comes down to it, They'll still hate us for being the USA.

You can't win against crime. It is human nature Tigershark... Your training may have convinced you otherwise, but how much progress do you see on your job? Is the today better than yesterday? Will it always be?

Royal Tiger · #45 06-16-2006, 01:48 PM

I'm not talking about my personal viewpoint on crime, but on how the system, because of lawyers, is set up so those that break the rules are the first ones to hide behind them. It's the innocent that have the deck stacked against them. I have no fear in my home, as I have an alarm, then the 2 German Shepards, then the guns, then me. Not everyone is this fortunate. I find it funny, in a sick sort of way, that rapists, who are the lowest form of human life, so quickly hide behind the rules they spit on in the first place. Personal responsibility is a big part of it. Those that are so dependant on welfare and a fat check for not leaving the house, are so arrogant and defiant of the laws around them it makes you sick. These are mostly minorities who have learned how to exploit the system. Why work and obay the law, when you can get a check to pump out kids while watching your plasma TV in your $200 a month HUD house. Americans needs to take back thier country from the lazy and the criminals that are destroying it.