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Old 01-10-2008, 01:06 AM
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New Hampshire: vote fraud comfirmed?

The moral to take away from this story is the Diebold voting machines are not secure. Whether the votes were miscounted intentionally or at all is not known, at least by me.

http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/...nh_distric.htm
http://www.bostonnow.com/blogs/bosto...-new-hampshire
http://www.opednews.com/articles/ope...ire_electi.htm

Apparently these machines have a history of miscount...
http://cre8ive-design.net/blog/?cat=7

Related links:
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5529
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...d.25173a1.html
http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd335.htm
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ar...ote_fraud.html

All links were Googled. I don't commonly look at these sites and the only reason I even looked is because I read a comment somewhere saying vote fraud was confirmed, so the question is still on my mind.
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Old 01-10-2008, 02:21 AM
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Some food for thought?

A comment on one of the sites I think I linked to:
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January 9th, 2008 at 9:06 pm
Okay–(Above & beyond the voting inconsistencies we’ve seen thus far) I think I have some great evidence–albeit circumstantial–that something is afoul in the NH primary vote. PLEASE look at the results of the Strafford County Straw Poll (first URL) held on 8-18-07. Compare that to the NH primary results for Strafford County (2nd URL).
Ron Paul garnered 208 total votes (72.2%) at a PICNIC whereas in the “official” PRIMARY results, Dr. Paul took in 96 votes (11%). While there might be myriad legitimate reasons for the gross disparity, I find it strains credulity to accept these results without a further investigation. You think more people are going to show up at a PICNIC than the state PRIMARY??? Please forward this on so we can fully investigate the issue!!
http://www.straffordcountyrepublican...-poll-results/
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/pri...y/#val=NHREP21

On a humorous note, Duncan Hunter recieved 5 votes at the picnic, but only 4 at the primary.
On a worrying note, Huckabee and Romney seem to have recieved a proper scale of voters, but McCain went from 7 to 308...

Did half of the Stafford County Ron Paul voters disappear off the planet?

On a truly sad note, only Ron Paul supporters will care if his votes are not counted. ):

There was also a guy claiming he took screenshots of votes being mysteriously syphoned away, but there is no way to tell as his shots are sloppily arranged. I haven't studied them, but here they are:

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Cause for a recount.

There is an affort to raise money so this guy will have it done.
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40 and out

It was back to reality for presidential candidate Albert Howard of Ann Arbor, back behind the wheel of his Checker cab waiting for passengers at Detroit Metro Airport.

The father of eight savored his 40 votes in the New Hampshire presidential GOP primary. Howard was among 42 also-rans who paid $1,000 to get on the New Hampshire ballot, and he was something of a celebrity, interviewed by Time magazine, the New York Times, Boston Globe and the nightly ABC News.

At one point, his vote total climbed to 178, then dropped. He is asking the New Hampshire Secretary of State for a recount. Howard said he was in awe that even 40 people picked him.

"I have no sense of defeat," he said. "Maybe I'll run for governor."
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I don't think the recent fluctuation of votes among Hilary and Obama are due to any bug in the voting system. It is a problem with how votes and polls related to them as well as approval rating are so hastily reported by news conglomerates to the point that if someone was channel surfing they wouldn't be able to tell the difference between which poll it is. This is often to the point that ballots tallied in muncipalities are not reported or mis-calculated by them. In other words this addresses a problem with how most of us get information on the election rather then how its done.

But that doesn't mean the present electronic voting system has its own set of problems. In fact, I think it has some major problems. One problem is those who should know how the system works are not able to legally while other indivisuals with the skill can figure it out, for one thing it runs on MS Windows.

I believe that the system should run on its own proprietary OS and they should employ teams of IT professionals who would be asigned to check and tally the results which should be always highly encrypted coming in from each state. Then all results would be paired into into several copies of th final result which would be stored in several severs assigned different passkeys to ensure that there isn't a lone file that can be altered, if it isn't done that way already. It should not matter how immediately the results are because accuracy and accountability are infinitely more important Anyway, all I am trying to state is that the federal electronic election results should be as closely gaurded as our (American) nuclear warheads. That is because if the majority loses faith in our voting system, then the US definitely cannot sustain itself any longer in any aspect as a democracy.
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These voting machines are "secured" secretly by criminals. That is a HUGE problem and everyone should be concerned.
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These voting machines are "secured" secretly by criminals. That is a HUGE problem and everyone should be concerned.
Hey, not all corporations are evil. But I do agree that something that is the signifigant driving force behind our government's policy and, the key way for any responsible citizen to have a say in it, that is voting should not be left up to a private entity to manage. Even if people may argue about how efficiency of our government agencies.
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Old 01-11-2008, 06:21 PM
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Not all corporations, but the Diebold guys. I don't like'em.
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If you think corporations are corrupt--check out the trade unions. Wow!!!!!!!!!!

I don't disagree, corruption is where ever it can exist and grow. Our best solution to fight government corruption is strict term limits for all politicians.

No one with any common sense ever said that we don't have some problems in all areas of our society. But, I will still argue that it is the best one on the planet and seeing a viper under every rock is crazy (or conspiracy in every tragedy or disaster).

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If you think corporations are corrupt--check out the trade unions. Wow!!!!!!!!!!

I don't disagree, corruption is where ever it can exist and grow. Our best solution to fight government corruption is strict term limits for all politicians.

No one with any common sense ever said that we don't have some problems in all areas of our society. But, I will still argue that it is the best one on the planet and seeing a viper under every rock is crazy (or conspiracy in every tragedy or disaster).

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When politicians decide to make it a career, is when we see the corruption start to grow. That is when the payoffs and other money enters the picture. Strict term limits are needed.
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Kucinich asks for New Hampshire recount

CONCORD, N.H. - Democrat Dennis Kucinich, who won less than 2 percent of the vote in the New Hampshire primary, said Thursday he wants a recount to ensure that all ballots in his party's contest were counted.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22608231/

On a somewhat related note, Kucinich is a friend of Ron Paul and if I voted for a democrat, it would be him, maybe.
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