[Hondasucks]

Originally Posted by jeffast

this kinda makes me want to gouge my eyes out, after rinsing the taste of vomit out of my mouth.

and mud rat designs would charge you 10k to cut it in half then you would go to his house to retrive both halfs 1 year full of bull **** later.
do not pay that guy till he hands you the finished product

Have you ever directly done business with John? Or are you speaking for the guys on the USMB? Part of what happened was he bit off more than he could chew in terms of building bumpers and such, since there was such a demand for them but he couldn't build them quick enough, then some tweakers stole some from the powdercoater, so he had to build them again, at his expense, since the powdercoater wouldn't reimburse him for his time or the material (but did coat the new ones for free), he's not a bad guy at all, I know him personally and he's gone way out of his way to help me more than once, and he's never even come close to ripping me off.