Neons have 150hp. Z24 cavaliers have how much? the power to weight favors the neon. The suspension favors the neon. The price favors the neon. The ONLY reason to get a cavalier is if live in a trailer home and have a camaro as a lawn ornament.

- Ca$h

Look, I won't debate whether or not the Neon does well in autocrossing or other forms of SCCA racing. I know it does.

But as for the Neon being 'ultra reliable,' I'm gonna have to contest it. Since you're big on documentation and proof, ca$h (which I fully respect), here's mine.

http://www.consumerreports.org/main/...lder_id=113261

I apologize for the obscenely long link.

Please, if you have any proof that the Neon is 'ultra reliable,' I'd love to see it.

But (with the very few exceptions noted in this roundup) I don't think any American compact can hold a candle to Honda, Toyota or Subaru.

You can all have your j-bodies an Neons. If I want a compact, I want it for economy. GM and Chrysler don't even enter the picture, in my opinion.

Stock HP for the Z24 is 150. (discontinued in 2001)

Stock HP in all cavaliers is now 140hp.

Mike

they look exactly like the latest j body cavelier with a body kit. The people that stole them probobly didnt even know they were prototypes.

Both of the cars had custom supercharger systems on them, also, the cavalier had a custom widebody shell. There were many many other differences as well.

Mike

Urge to bring my Justy to SuperJusty status rising...rising... :D

So, what other body types are there? J, F, N?

I love the F bodies.

Oh and bodies of girls

Don't you mean the TOYOTA Cavailer:

http://www.geocities.com/toyota_cavalier/

Doesn't that just throw a small twist as to how we perceive quality among manufacturers?

The Cavalier was sold under the toyota name in Japanese markets. It had very strict quality control in comparison to the Chevy cavalier and Pontiac Sunfire. The Toyota models were still difficult to sell in Japan because the build quality was so poor.

Here are a pics of a couple JDM cavaliers we found when snooping around the GM facility in Lordstown, OH.

www.subarusvx.org/mike/toyotacav/

-Mike

Well Mike, I guess there are no limits to what people will do in cross branding their cars. :eek: :p

http://www.subaru-svx.net/forum/atta...=&postid=49950

Just a sort of "American Sport Compact Car" sidenote.. Has anyone seen the new Neon SRT-10? It actually looks pretty nice.. 220 turbocharged horses--albeit driving the front wheels--and a pretty nice body for a reasonable price. I heard the target was somewhere around 20k if they decide to go into production.. That sounds like a pretty good deal to me. As much as I hate to picture myself driving an American car (with the exception of a new Cobra Mustang, a Z06, or any Saleen product), I'm starting to think that if the current trends continue, my first new car may in fact be a domestic..

Oh well..

-Adam

Boone-

Did you ever see the Civic Del Sol that thought it was a Z3?

-a

I have to say this is the first time i have ever heard ANYONE try to say that ANY chrysler product has even GOOD build quality. Chrysler has never been one to slump on performance, however they have been at the bottom of the list quality-wise for as long as i can remember. My brother's '69 camaro is much more solid even after 30 years than a brand new neon, or pretty much any other chrysler. They still have not remedied the head gasket problem. Go to Carpoint or Consumer reports sites and that is the number one problem listed for the Neon since it's inception. Add to that the problems with the new cooling system, and the notion of "ultra-reliable" really goes out the window.

Autocross racing is a bad example in this case, since the only thing Chrysler about the autocross neons is their body.

Performance-wise, here are some interesting facts. I checked Road & Track's "Road Test Summary" pages wondering if maybe the Neon IS faster than the Cavi. Here are the numbers for a 97 Neon (150hp) vs. a 97 Cavalier (150hp). These are from the Dec 1998 issue. The first number is 0-60 and the second is 1/4mi.

Neon 8.5/16.5
Cavalier 7.7/15.9

Unfortunately the only magazine i have past 1997 is Car & Driver and they don't bother to keep a running record of their tests. So i can't get newer figures. But then the only real difference would be in the Neon SRT (220hp), and that should really be compared to the Cavalier Technic (240hp) which isn't due out until next year.

The price is cheaper on the Neon, and as i said before, for good reason. One poster in this thread said something about the only reason to buy a cavalier is a trailer and something about a Camaro lawn ornament? Seems to me the only reason to buy a Neon is if you can't afford a Cavalier.

I would be glad to address overseas offerings, but they don't fit into the same class in my mind because they are significantly more expensive.

I just noticed Seraph's question about the GM body designations...

J - Cavalier, Sunfire
N - Grand Am, Skylark, Alero, Malibu, Catera
W - Monte Carlo, Grand Prix, Regal
B - Caprice, Impala
F - Camaro, Firebird

Im not positive that all those are right, but im pretty sure.

The grand am, malibu, skylark, alero etc is the N body.

www.n-body.net

Mike