Video of the BRZ GT300
 

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Tony,


Thanks for posting, very cool.

Ray

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Proud of Boxer ........ that will most likely have reliability problems based on Subaru's recent track record, and will be smoked by the average mini-van. :lol:


giant wings and widebody add-ons can't help this underpowered thing that had the potential to be great. :(

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Oh yeah and Mitsubishi has such a great reliability track record. Tell me the last Mitsubishi ricer that made the top 10 in initial quality or reliability. And it isn't as ugly as an evo. And you clearly missed the intercooler in the GT300 model. I bet it has the STi engine in it and would blow the doors off your catfish.

Honest question, why does a non-SVX owner insist on posting anti-Subaru sentiments on an SVX message board? The behavior reminds of the kid from a dysfunctional home that comes to school to pick on every kid that won't defend themselves so they can feel better about themselves and transfer some of their misery onto others.

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Kind of a naive statement... "giant wings and widebody add-ons can't help this underpowered thing."

The car in the video is a Super GT group car. Class GT-300. If you think this is just a car with a wing and a body kit, think again.

Sure the street version is nothing like the car in the video... but it is the factory base for the car in the video.

The BRZ in stock form will be a blast to drive... NA engine, rear wheel drive, light weight, near perfect weight distribution. Everything you can ask for in a driver's car. It's more of a driver's car than an STi or Evo for sure, and that is saying a lot, coming from a former STi owner.

The video shows STi's commitment to the thing. It's huge.

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who are you again?

what does Mitsubishi have to do with this thread? did a former girlfriend (boyfriend?) run off with an EVO owner? :lol:


:WTF:
i'm a former SVX owner, current Subaru owner, who's been on this site a hell of a lot longer than you have, and have donated money to this site on several occasions. i'm not anti-Subaru, i'm anti-recent Subarus.



poor BRZ can't defend itself? :WTF: are you retarded?

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bingo.

it might be a blast to drive in the twisties, but that's about it. i'm not a parking lot cone track racecar driver wannabe, so i'm interested in real world handling, braking, AND power.
Car & Driver just voted the EVO the best handling car under $40k. it even beat the Miata "driver's car". i can't speak for the oversteering pig STi.

http://i.imgur.com/CyP7J.png


i would have really liked, and probably bought a BRZ/FR-S if it had some decent output and AWD - cars have gotten too big lately and i want something light and nimble. however, i also need something that goes well in snow and isn't quite so weak.

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Only on a track can you push these cars to hit the numbers shown in Car and Driver magazine. So in real world driving these cars will never hit the numbers. The numbers only matter on the track.

If you are interested in real world handling, braking, and power... then the numbers in Car and Driver mean nothing.

The most important "number" in the list is the bottom one... "Fun to Drive." The Miata scored the same as the Evo... though they are entirely different cars.

I am just talking about just the pure driver's experience. And the BRZ will deliver, on the real road everyday and on a track or autocross coarse. It will be fun to drive... the reviews are coming in. And, you know down the road there will be a turbo STi version.

The old saying is true, "It's more fun to drive a slow car fast, than a fast car slow." Driving to work in a 300hp rally beast is a waste... you can't legally enjoy the thing. You can never experience the limit... so it is just like any other car. I took my STi to the track every chance I could get... that's where the fun is in these cars.

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so you will also never be able to fully experience the BRZ's limits, either. might as well buy a Prius.

down the road, i'll consider a BRZ STi ..... if it has AWD. :)

you've never seen me drive home from work. :D the EVO is fun to drive slow, too, though. it will also be fun in the snow with Blizzaks, or in the summer.

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If you get these cars to a track occasionally it's fun. And yes, spirited drives to work or on a weekend are worth it! Living in LA, it didn't happen often enough for me... $35K wrapped up in an STi that rarely saw excitement was not worth it for me. Someday again I will own one.

The BRZ can never have all wheel drive. The configuration won't let it... unless they do a serious redesign. The engine sits 10" further back and much lower in the compartment (better weight balance) because there is no front differential talking up room. So this is one of the first Subaru's that does not have the engine poised in front of the front wheels, but behind them, in classic sports car fashion.

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that's why i got rid of the SVX - it is a great grand touring highway cruiser .... that never saw the highway with me.
don't forget to check out the EVO before you go STi shopping! :D

understood, but i wish it did have AWD. the Impreza/WRX/STi's are now the size of the old Legacy, and the new Legacy is a giant bloated pig. i wish the EVO was smaller and lighter, but its the closest thing to what i wanted in a car, besides maybe a 911 turbo. :o

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I'm the guy holding up the mirror in front of your face. Don't like what you see?

Nope. I just recognize that Evo owners are douches. Now who else said that........

Former this...used to that...whatever. What are you now? What drives a former SVX owner to CONSTANTLY trash Subarus on an SVX network full of Subaru enthiasts? Answer that simple and honest question. What are you looking to accomplish? Are you expecting Subaru enthusiasts to validate your opinion by agreeing with you so you can feel better about yourself?

If you had a clue you would know how funny that is. It is pretty ignorant to call someone you don't know retarded. And, no, a car can't type on an internet forum. And I am pretty sure there aren't Subaru executives frequenting this forum. And most of the people here seem content to just let you endlessly bash Subaru. The funny thing is, I don't totally disagree with you. I just think your behavior is getting old and does not add to the forum. Why not just move on and spend your time on an Evo forum?

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i have never driven a RWD car before how much different is it than an FWD or AWD?

the only RWD i have driven is a pick up :o

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i'm a rockstar, biznitch!


i'm not looking to accomplish anything, other than voice my displeasure about the potential the BR-Z had to be a spectacular car, IMO

why you so mad?



if it herps and derps .....
https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/im...5-hwCIxArsnjrL


i'm not endlessly bashing Subaru, just that hairdresser's car. i still own a Subaru. herp derp!

that is scary.

your opinion is acknowledged and dismissed.
i'm staying, and as my opinions about certain newer Subarus in the Off-Topic portion of this site make you so butt-hurt, why don't you make like a tree and get the **** out of here?

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they are fun! unfortunately, the SVX and other Subarus i've owned have spoiled me in the winter months. you CAN drive RWD cars in the snow with some good snow tires, but it gets sketchy sometimes. once you go AWD ......

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I may be naive here but, I hope their marketing plan is to offer a basic platform with oodles of after market possibilities to build it up. My opinion is, it looks great, better than the Toyota kid racer.
Great promo video BTW.
Gene

Trying to not getting flamed.:)
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the only problem is, what aftermarket possibilities can they offer? exhaust and air intake, to increase the hp in the single digits? or a TRD supercharger that will cost more than what its worth? if the engine isn't designed for forced induction, the boost will have to be pretty low anyway to keep it from blowing up. :( hell, recent Subaru turbo engines have been blowing up, and they were designed to be turbo'd. :rolleyes: i'm such a hater. :lol:

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You know there will be tons of parts available from STi... just like they offer and have offered for the Impreza. There will be a whole catalog of parts for enthusiasts and professionals to build cars. Sort of like Group N Impreza's and parts that STi has supported for years.

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Yeah, aside from license plate frames and STI battery tie downs, what will increase performance on this thing? Like i said before, you'd be lucky to get 10-15hp with exhaust and intake.

So you'll spend $600-1000 on these items for a more rumbly sound and barely any gain, or you could spend $600 for an Accessport on a turbo engine for a really dramatic increase.


I doubt they will offer a stroker kit. :lol:

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Have you ever seen the full STi catalog? They do have full rebuild kits, pistons, turbos, suspension, clutches, dog leg transmissions, drive shafts, brake kits, bushings.... all sorts of fun stuff for competition all the way down to light dress up...

http://www.sti.jp/e/competitor/index.html

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I don't need a race car. I like the BRZ, I am disappointment that it is not AWD, but it is a car I will consider when I need to replace my DD in a few years.

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JDM parts? You could buy a new Porsche for what you'll pay for that stuff.
Mostly for car forum pissing contests, i've seen people do that on the Legacy GT forums. Some of these goons spend more on accessories than what their car cost new.

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I was just saying that they do a lot more than license plate frames and other stuff like that. The STi parts listed are not for show, they are really for competition... as they support a huge Group N racing competition field with many teams.

The dudes in the forum pissing matches do buy the flashy stuff, sure... but STi really only makes high end stuff and top quality and you pay for it.

For the BRZ, STi will have a catalog of competition parts for Super GT and a whole smaller catalog for the forum dudes to dress up their cars!

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I wasnt even talking dressup parts, i meant performance stuff like big brake kits, bigger turbos and intercoolers, transmissions, light weight wheels, etc. Ive seen knuckleheads easily spend $20-30k just in parts for their LGTs. Good luck selling it, as something that heavily modified probably kills resale.

The EVO forums are even worse, because its much easier to get them to stupid levels of power, and the aftermarket is even bigger. Maybe im old, but i dont need 600awhp on my daily driver. :lol:

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Yeah I think I have gotten spoiled by the AWD too cus I love my car when the snow is out...my gf doesnt even want to driver her car anymore in winter cus its not AWD :lol:

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Even more spoiled with AWD and snow tires. Lot of hills around here, and i get out of work late, so the roads can be a mess.

RWD in snow = nervous and cautious.
AWD in snow = fun time! :lol: (im still careful, though)

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I still love RWD in the snow. AWD there's too much control and not enough unknown.

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:lol:

I almost went off the side of an embankment in the 928 in the snow. Freak snowstorm in April. Driving along slowly, then whole car SPINNING........i was on the way to buy my SVX!

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Aren't we lucky! Tell me oh sage of the car world, what "newer Subaru" do you approve of if your incessant whining pertains to only "certain" newer Subarus? Wait...let me guess...the Forester XT...right? The only Subaru you drive is the one that is wildly popular with....nevermind.

What is funny, and sad, is that you are totally blind to your "issues". Anyone that buys a "newer" Subaru is a dope who bought an underpowered car, unlike your Evo, and every Evo or Subaru owner that modifies their car for more power is a dope because they spent money for too much power. You car is perfect...you made the perfect decision and bought the perfect car. Still don't see it? Yeah, I didn't think you would.

Let me try to put it another way. Anyone that makes a different decision than you do must be an idiot or jerk and you actually take it as a personal challenge that they would do something differently. This drives you to constantly feel compelled to argue with them about their choices. In case you have never taken a psychology class, this is known as having an inferiority complex and is due to a deeply rooted insecurity. Why not just enjoy your car instead of doing what you constantly do around here? Still can't answer that question, can you?

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FYI, I wouldn't buy any subaru newer than 96 other than a 97 SVX and an 02/03 WRX. I think that head gaskets should last longer than 100k miles, and prefer not to have noisy timing chains. We'll see how reliable the newer engines are, but if there is one thing Subaru has proven, is that they are expecting people to buy their cars based off the reliability they built up through most of the 90's. It certainly can't be their styling selling the cars as it looks like everything else. (The BRZ is an exception)


I have also steered quite a few people away from buying newer subaru's when looking for a used car because of their lack of reliability.

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With all due respect, I think most of Alan's points are valid. Subarus seem to go down in quality every year. Almost every newer subaru I get has some sort of major problem with it. Not to mention falling apart interiors, horrible paint, and generally horrible build quality all-around.

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And, again, I don't disagree. But do we have to hear his opinion over and over and over again?

Would I say that Subaru's quality has gone down since the 90s? Yeah. I didn't like my 2002 Outback as much as my 1997 Outback. But for all the supposed headgasket problems of the post-1996 Subarus, my 1997 Outback never had a hint of a problem at 15 years and 160K miles. And the SVX itself would be an example of a 90s Subaru with major reliability problems. No car company or car is perfect. Subarus are not Hondas or Toyotas. Hell, Hondas and Toyotas aren't Hondas and Toyotas anymore. Honda just had a recall and Toyota has been a mess lately.

And I have to say that Audi and Volvo aren't exactly examples of great build quality. I work with Germans that won't buy BMWs because they think they are crap. It depends on how you judge them. If you sell your car in 5-10 years with less than 100K on them, most cars are great. Maybe only Fiats and Chryslers would have issues as well as some of the French car companies and a few eastern block or 3rd world car companies. After 10 years and 100K miles is where you start to see issues. Even a lot of Taxi companies in Europe won't buy Mercedes anymore because they don't think the reliability still justifies the price like it used to.

Basically, I think all cars have gone down hill compared to 20-30 years ago. And 20-30 years ago my parents generation complained that cars had gone down hill compared to cars from 20-30 years before that. Look at the price of cars compared to inflation and something has to give to keep cars as cheap as they are now.

My next car may be a Honda Crosstour. Not because Subaru is so bad compared to their competitors but because Honda is still better and has not yet crossed below my personal annoyance threshold. And when/if I buy a Honda or sell my SVX I won't come on an SVX forum to CONSTANTLY bash Subarus because, in the grand scheme of things, they are still one of the better values for AWD cars when you compare them to others from the same generation.

The bottom line is that most people need cars to get them from point A to point B. People that drive their car because it is fun to drive are probably driving like pricks a little too often and have lost sight of what really matters in life. For people that don't really have the money to spend on a Benz and want an AWD car to get them to work in the snow or get their kids to school, a Subaru is still one of their better choices. Sure, they could spend money they really shouldn't be spending on an Audi, BMW or Benz but isn't that REALLY they problem with our country right now? People have become greedy and act based on their egos. They look at everyone around them and try to keep up in the great rat race. They spend money they don't have because they are fooled into thinking they need to. And when our greed screws us up, we look to the government to save us.

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It might be better for the forum if you used the ignore feature on landshark.

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he needs to read his own signature. he does NOT seem to use the ignore feature.

apparently he's a drama queen with poor reading comprehension whose butt cheeks are easily chapped. there's my Psych 101 evaluation.

i would BUY a BR-Z, but the lack of AWD and turbo is disappointing, I*M*H*O. that's about it, really. if he likes the Build quality and reliability of recent Subarus, he should go buy a bunch of them and shut his soup cooler. i've owned 4 Subarus, so i've seen enough to know i'm not too happy with the issues they have recently. i wish it wasn't the case, but it is.

i never brought EVO's into the thread, Huskypants did. then he appointed himself Subaru's official defender, and got even more herp derp. :lol:

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Mike, your Audi is what's wrong with this country.




























:WTF:

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I should get a Jaguar. :rolleyes:

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You are a greedy terrorist.

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I know you guys are all having fun baiting each other. As a previous owner of 2 Jags (XK150 and XKE) and familiar with friends that own Audi's and Evo's, I'd never turn one down. Fantastic drives compared to the general population, and my Jags gave me less problems than many mainstream cars I've owned.
I think Subaru, and Toyota, are trying to offer an affordable entry platform. And by the video, showing the possibilities. Not everyone can afford a full blown WRX STI. I think they could have gone farther in simplifying the base features, and cost. If they haven't based it on the basic drive train and suspension platform of the upper end models, they are truly fools.
How many of us have upgraded our cars performance, handling and looks based on resale value, especially when we are young and cash poor? We paid as we go.
Gene

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Neither of my Audis have ever had any mechanical failures within my ownership. All I've had to do is regular maintenance. Both have almost 170,000 miles.

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Has this been previously posted?

http://www.racecar-engineering.com/a...aru-brz-gt300/

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