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Boxersix 12-13-2007 04:50 PM

STi brembo adaptors....
 
Does anyone here make them? If not is there enough demand here for them if I said I would?

One thing I forgot to mention was that I produce brake adapters and custom kits using Brembo Porsche monoblock calipers. I've been doing this for ages here and just forgot to mention that here when i signed up.

If there's enough interest, would you guys prefer an STi caliper bracket or something a bit more aggressive for say Porsche 6 piston monoblock calipers?

Crazy_pilot 12-13-2007 05:27 PM

You just said a whole bunch of magic words.:D

Tom (TomsSVX) has tried fitting STi Brembo's to the SVX. They will actually bolt up no problem, but the mounting point for the SVX is farther out, so we would need a custom rotor. And since the 4-pot Brembo caliper is sized for a smaller rotor, it wouldn't work too well. I think Tom's working on ideas of installing Willwood brakes.

With that issue, I'd say the Porsche 6-piston would be a better fit to the SVX. Anything we can do for the back?

If you did make an adapter kit, what sort of cost would we be looking at?

Boxersix 12-13-2007 06:13 PM

Ah I see.

The Porsche Brembo calipers I like to work with are radial mount. I have a few choices from either the 996 Turbo four piston monoblocks, the 997 Turbo 6 piston monoblocks, and the 6 piston PCCB monoblocks which have ceramic pistons to reduce thermal transfer into the brake fluid(like Wilwood thermolock pistons). those calipers are also listed price wise, least to most expensive.

Although I don't like to use them much, I can work with the Cayenne 6 piston calipers but they're not radial mount which has it's mounting limitations on certain applications and I'm limited to a 330mm rotor. The PCCB calipers are suitable up to a 380mm rotor. 350-360 seems to fit the bill nicely for most though.

Rear application is always possibly and can make both.

Price....depends on the design really and material used. Solidworks(my cnc program) figures price based on design and work parameters and the material being used as that also depicts how it needs to be machined. Price is always substantially lower if I get a group of people at once vs ripping off a pair at a time for individual customers.

I ask this As I still have the four uprights/knuckles from that '92 SVX I parted and figured I'd add this car to my list :)

I'll work up a CAD or two for some options based of the P-car monoblocks and post some visuals here in the next couple weeks. Let you guys decide if it's worthwhile for you to venture down this path.


-Adam

Boxersix 12-13-2007 06:14 PM

BTW my PCCB kit is damn near exactly like this from Power Station, just uses carbon rotors and are way more expensive :)

http://www.powerstation.org.uk/porsche_brakes.asp

subru92svx 12-13-2007 06:22 PM

If you get a kit made I would buy one.:D

sicksubie 12-13-2007 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boxersix (Post 515120)
BTW my PCCB kit is damn near exactly like this from Power Station, just uses carbon rotors and are way more expensive :)

http://www.powerstation.org.uk/porsche_brakes.asp

Your kit is more expensive than 1700 british pounds???

sicksubie 12-13-2007 06:40 PM

I am definitely interested though...

Boxersix 12-13-2007 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by sicksubie (Post 515125)
Your kit is more expensive than 1700 british pounds???


My PCCB(carbon/carbon) kit's are more expensive........they use carbon rotors at $~1800 each. The kit's I make with standard(AP or Wilwood) rotors are much cheaper and reasonable for 99% of the community. PCCB kits usually go on one off kit cars, track cars, and/or people with money to blow on having the lightest possible brake setup on their car. I was just saying my carbon/carbon kit looks very similar to that Power Station kit as those calipers pictures are the PCCB 6 piston units with the ceramic pistons :)

SVXMAN2001 12-13-2007 08:13 PM

i am also very interested....

sicksubie 12-13-2007 08:14 PM

So what are we looking at for a cost for a more reasonable kit?

jeffast 12-13-2007 09:21 PM

+1 on wanting a price

SilverSpear 12-14-2007 01:51 AM

Well, give us specs, rotor dimensions... and a sexy price enough for most of us to buy ;):D

Boxersix 12-14-2007 05:47 AM

I usually build kits to order and not for group buys so the pricing would be a little different than normal. I was planning on just making the brackets and letting you guys source the remaining parts at your leisure(via a list with part numbers) but I can put together kits if the majority of the public would like that.

I'll work up some pricing and CAD's over the next couple weeks.

Here's a couple pictures of the last kit i made.......Porsche monoblocks over Wilwood SRP rotors and GT hats for a '95-99 year model DSM(eclipse/talon). This kit actually ended up on a 98 dodge avenger(same suspension)

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...ix/pcarkit.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...careclipse.jpg

SilverSpear 12-14-2007 05:56 AM

Any idea about pricing??

Boxersix 12-14-2007 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SilverSpear (Post 515227)
Any idea about pricing??


Again prices vary according to what's in a kit and I cannot just simply quote a price based on speculation on my part. It could come way in over/under what I quote and either way that's bad on my part. Same goes for just the brackets as prices are based by design, which I haven't exactly worked up yet.

To give you a rough idea, that kit pictured above I listed for $1490 exactly as you see it. My four corner PCCB kit for the Audi RS4/RS6 runs near $12K, but it has $11K in rotors/calipers/pads alone.

Give me some time to work out the details on this and I'll get back to you all :)

SilverSpear 12-14-2007 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boxersix (Post 515284)
Again prices vary according to what's in a kit and I cannot just simply quote a price based on speculation on my part. It could come way in over/under what I quote and either way that's bad on my part. Same goes for just the brackets as prices are based by design, which I haven't exactly worked up yet.

To give you a rough idea, that kit pictured above I listed for $1490 exactly as you see it. My four corner PCCB kit for the Audi RS4/RS6 runs near $12K, but it has $11K in rotors/calipers/pads alone.

Give me some time to work out the details on this and I'll get back to you all :)

Ok cool. We definitely need specs.... let us know when you are ready

Psychosis5150 12-14-2007 07:10 PM

Wallet in hand, fingers crossed:lol:

wawazat?? 12-15-2007 07:46 AM

watching and waiting

TomsSVX 12-15-2007 08:22 AM

The easiest thing for you/us to do would be to modify the wilwood BBK for an sti. The rotors have the right bolt circle (04+). The 6 piston calipers are just as much as anyone here will need. All I need is someone to make a new bracket for them, as I do not yet have the capabilities to do so. Take the wilwood bracket and reduce the height of the bracket by 1/2". When I say this, I mean, make the caliper 1/2" closer to the center of the hub and you are golden. I was going to be doing this in the future but if you can do it now, by all means:)

Tom

sicksubie 12-15-2007 08:26 AM

05+ I think.... 04's still had the 5x100bcp

TomsSVX 12-15-2007 08:35 AM

yeah ur right. Sorry

tom

Boxersix 12-15-2007 12:15 PM

All I need to do that is the dimensions of the 05+ bracket and I can make a CAD to CNC brackets if that's easier for you.

What's the part number for this Wilwood BBK kit you're referring to? I can probably get one of the brackets to get measurements from....

sicksubie 12-15-2007 03:03 PM

This sounds great...... (carries hammer over to piggy bank)

Boxersix 12-17-2007 01:13 PM

Hey guys...what Wilwood BBK are you refering to for the 05+ STi.

their website only lists a kit part number 140-7005 which is listed for 99-04 year model STi's...whcih have the 5x100 bolt pattern not the 5x 144.5(4.5") bolt pattern. The bracket part number for the 7005 kit is 250-6991 but if it's not what I need then I'm just going to be running in circles here trying to get the correct measurements I need for you guys.

I'd like to be able to offer you guys a modified wilwood adapter to make these kits work if it's what you want, along with my monoblock brembo adapters.....

I need a kit part number, or the wilwood PDF file for the install of the 05+ kit as that lists the part number for the bracket i need to get. :)


Let me know....

TomsSVX 12-17-2007 02:43 PM

the kits for all imprezzas are the same dimensionally. The only differences are the 5x100 bolts circle and the 5x114.5 bolt circle that we need. The brackets are the same just the rotor hats are different. So you could use any imprezza bracket to make yours from

Tom

TomsSVX 12-17-2007 02:53 PM

I would say call wilwood about them. i cannot find a diff part # for the different kits

Tom

Boxersix 12-17-2007 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TomsSVX (Post 515939)
the kits for all imprezzas are the same dimensionally. The only differences are the 5x100 bolts circle and the 5x114.5 bolt circle that we need. The brackets are the same just the rotor hats are different. So you could use any imprezza bracket to make yours from

Tom

I will call to double check that as I dislike machining parts based on a whim.

The 250-6991 bracket is a tad under $50 for a single unit so if it's the correct part it's cheap to get to pull dimensions from.

-Adam

It's Just Eric 12-17-2007 11:14 PM

Just looking at some of your other posts and such gives me the feeling your going to be making some SERIOUS progress in the field of svx performance. I'lll keep an eye on this thread, and mabey start reconsidering my plans for this year's tax return:)

wawazat?? 12-19-2007 09:35 PM

Took some photos tonight of Brembo monoblock calipers (996 blacks) and StopTech calipers with a WRX Stoptech rotor and caliper adapter bracket. The spacing looks identical and it appears both will work with the same bracket enabling me to finaly put to use many $$ worth of brakes:o

I'll post pics tomorrow night.

Todd

Boxersix 12-19-2007 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wawazat?? (Post 516514)
Took some photos tonight of Brembo monoblock calipers (996 blacks) and StopTech calipers with a WRX Stoptech rotor and caliper adapter bracket. The spacing looks identical and it appears both will work with the same bracket enabling me to finaly put to use many $$ worth of brakes:o

I'll post pics tomorrow night.

Todd

Most Porsche radial mount spacing is 130mm center-to-center on the radial bolts. Not sure what the Stoptech is. If those two dimensions are the same and the radial-to-caliper center distance is the same they can probably be used :)

Boxersix 12-22-2007 10:47 PM

Nothing concrete. Just took a few minutes to rough in a couple CAD's. One wilwood to SVX and one monoblock to SVX. I'll have more info in a couple weeks after I get a Wilwood bracket and some dimensions I need.

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...six/svxtab.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o.../svxbrembo.jpg

TomsSVX 12-23-2007 08:09 AM

nicely done.

Tom

redlinedeath 12-23-2007 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by It's Just Eric (Post 516041)
Just looking at some of your other posts and such gives me the feeling your going to be making some SERIOUS progress in the field of svx performance. I'lll keep an eye on this thread, and mabey start reconsidering my plans for this year's tax return:)

ditto! looking over some of your posts and such, your becomeing an asset to this community!:)

Boxersix 12-23-2007 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redlinedeath (Post 517286)
ditto! looking over some of your posts and such, your becomeing an asset to this community!:)

Aside from the hardcore computer programming tech and suspension spring making(expensive expensive machines), I can do anything you guys would want. I cater to small run/prototyping for groups like this on the side and don't mind lending a hand or information when needed.

If there's something else this community could use that doesn't exist start a new thread, get my attention in it, and I'll work what I can :) One off coilovers, tubular suspension components, etc.

-Adam

SVXRide 12-23-2007 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boxersix (Post 517291)
Aside from the hardcore computer programming tech and suspension spring making(expensive expensive machines), I can do anything you guys would want. I cater to small run/prototyping for groups like this on the side and don't mind lending a hand or information when needed.

If there's something else this community could use that doesn't exist start a new thread, get my attention in it, and I'll work what I can :) One off coilovers, tubular suspension components, etc.

-Adam

Adam,
Faster steering rack!
-Bill

Crazy_pilot 12-23-2007 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SVXRide (Post 517317)
Adam,
Faster steering rack!
-Bill

+1!!!!!!:D:D:D

sicksubie 12-23-2007 09:08 PM

I will buy an adaptor the second you have them available... I only hope I can still run 17" wheels.. If not oh well.

Boxersix 12-23-2007 11:13 PM

I see we have a few auto crossers here eh ;) I sold the rack from the donor car to Benztech55(Robert) so I don't have one to rework internal components for a quicker ratio. If I had one to borrow I can easily CNC internals to make the rack have a quicker ratio. What is the stock ratio anyway?

I have to go out to meet up with Benztech55 at his place in a couple weeks to pick up an empty front diff case/bell housing. I can ask him if he's got a bad/blown rack I can borrow for awhile to get dimensions from.


Quote:

Originally Posted by SVXRide (Post 517317)
Adam,
Faster steering rack!
-Bill


Quote:

Originally Posted by Crazy_pilot (Post 517318)
+1!!!!!!:D:D:D


Boxersix 12-23-2007 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sicksubie (Post 517319)
I will buy an adaptor the second you have them available... I only hope I can still run 17" wheels.. If not oh well.

I usualy try to work the setups withing 17" parameters as i'm not fond of wheels bigger than that. I usually squeeze a 360m rotor(~14") with the 6 piston Brembos under most 17" wheels with some finiky work. 380mm is a different story.

I have to get some information from Wilwood and find my PDF file on the monoblock 6 piston caliper. I think i may have deleted it by accident last week, but have it on CD somewhere in this mess of a desk :o

-Adam

redlinedeath 12-24-2007 12:21 AM

sweetness! one of coilovers?! i think our megan racing group buy fell through by now:( def something many would be interested in i think! i know i would!


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