how bad are some of those leading our country ?
 

Murtha, one guy who has been in office way too long
and should of been out many years ago

watch for yourself they way he runs things in office and
his ethics

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywgUCdefSW8

Re: how bad are some of those leading our country ?
 

Perhaps this (and the other thread for that matter) should be in the political forum. If this thread isn't about politics, I don't know what is!

Mike

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I will move it. It is sad to see how some politicians make a mockery of the democatic process. Politician and career should never be together. Term limits must be put in place. :(

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Remember Lee Iacocca, the man who rescued Chrysler Corporation from its death throes? He's now 82 years old and has a new book, 'Where Have All The Leaders Gone?'.

Lee Iacocca Says:

'Am I the only guy in this country who's fed up with what's happening? Where the hell is our outrage with this so called president? We should be screaming bloody murder! We've got a gang of tax cheating clueless leftists trying to steer our ship of state right over a cliff, we've got corporate gangsters stealing us blind, and we can't even run a ridiculous cash-for-clunkers program without losing $26 billion of the taxpayers' money, much less build a hybrid car. But instead of getting mad, everyone sits around and nods their heads when the politicians say, 'trust me the economy is getting better..'

Better? You've got to be kidding. This is America , not the damned, 'Titanic'. I'll give you a sound bite: 'Throw all the Democrats out along with Obama!'

You might think I'm getting senile, that I've gone off my rocker, and maybe I have. But someone has to speak up. I hardly recognize this country anymore..

The most famous business leaders are not the innovators but the guys in handcuffs.. While we're fiddling in Afghanistan , Iran is completing their nuclear bombs and missiles and nobody seems to know what to do. And the liberal press is waving 'pom-poms' instead of asking hard questions. That's not the promise of the ' America ' my parents and yours traveled across the ocean for. I've had enough. How about you?

I'll go a step further. You can't call yourself a patriot if you're not outraged. This is a fight I'm ready and willing to have. The Biggest 'C' is Crisis! (Iacocca elaborates on nine C's of leadership, with crisis being the first.)

Leaders are made, not born. Leadership is forged in times of crisis. It's easy to sit there with thumb up your butt and talk theory. Or send someone else's kids off to war when you've never seen a battlefield yourself. It's another thing to lead when your world comes tumbling down.

On September 11, 2001, we needed a strong leader more than any other time in our history. We needed a steady hand to guide us out of the ashes. A hell of a mess, so here's where we stand.

We're immersed in a bloody war now with no plan for winning and no plan for leaving. But our soldiers are dying daily.

We're running the biggest deficit in the history of the world, and it's getting worse every day!

We've lost the manufacturing edge to Asia , while our once-great companies are getting slaughtered by health care costs.

Gas prices are going to skyrock again, and nobody in power has a lucid plan to open drilling to solve the problem. This country has the largest oil reserves in the WORLD, and we cannot drill for it because the politicians have been bought by the flea-hugging environmentalists.
Our schools are in a complete disaster because of the teachers union.

Our borders are like sieves and they want to give all illegals amnesty and free healthcare.

The middle class is being squeezed to death every day.

These are times that cry out for leadership.

But when you look around, you've got to ask: 'Where have all the leaders gone?' Where are the curious, creative communicators? Where are the people of character, courage, conviction, omnipotence, and common sense? I may be a sucker for alliteration, but I think you get the point.

Name me a leader who has a better idea for homeland security than making us take off our shoes in airports and throw away our shampoo?

We've spent billions of dollars building a huge new bureaucracy, and all we know how to do is react to things that have already happened.

Everyone's hunkering down, fingers crossed, hoping the government will make it better for them. Now, that's just crazy.. Deal with life.

Name me an industry leader who is thinking creatively about how we can restore our competitive edge in manufacturing. Who would have believed that there could ever be a time when 'The Big Three' referred to Japanese car companies? How did this happen, and more important, look what Obama did about it!
Name me a government leader who can articulate a plan for paying down the debit, or solving theenergy crisis, or managing the health care problem. The silence is deafening. But these are the crises that are eating away at our country and milking the middle class dry.

I have news for the Chicago gangsters in Congress. We didn't elect you to turn this country into a losing European Socialist state. What is everybody so afraid of? That some bonehead on NBC or CNN news will call them a name? Give me a break. Why don't you guys show some spine for a change?

Had Enough? Hey, I'm not trying to be the voice of gloom and doom here. I'm trying to light a fire. I'm speaking out because I have hope - I believe in America . In my lifetime, I've had the privilege of living through some of America 's greatest moments. I've also experienced some of our worst crises: The 'Great Depression,' 'World War II,' the 'Korean War,' the 'Kennedy Assassination,' the 'Vietnam War,' the 1970's oil crisis, and the struggles of recent years since 9/11.

Make your own contribution by sending this to everyone you know and care about. It's our country, folks, and it's our future. Our future is at stake!!
***********************************
LET'S GET THE MUSLIM ROOKIE OUT OF THE WHITEHOUSE!!!

+1 what he said!!!!!

Lee

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The above "quotations" from Lee Iacocoa's book are rife with wholesale edits and deletions. I remember reading these passages some years ago, long before one George Bush left office.

This sort of manipulation is truly pathetic. And what's worse, people fall for it.

Please read the correct excerpts here:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/iacocca.asp

dcb

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Actually it really doesn't matter whether he said it or not. Whoever did is pretty much dead on with most things. ;)

Guess you can say I authored it. :p

Lee

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Purposefully distorting a respected person's work to suit one's own ends, posting it in a public forum and attributing it to the original source ain't authoring, dude. Incredible.

dcb

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end of story, Obama has done NOTHING that he has promised from his elections... Why the hell are Democrats still backing him failure after failure after failure. Things get done by making them happen, not suggesting an idea to think about

Tom

Re: how bad are some of those leading our country ?
 

And just to enlighten some people who have been closed to thinking about what the rest of the world thinks of your leader...



People refuse to shake his hand even as a gesture. Lets think about what they are going to do when we have to ask for help?? Because if Obama is not thrown out within the next year, we will be begging the rest of the world for help running our country out of the crusher

Tom

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That's hardly the truth:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/snubbed.asp

See the unedited version of the video at that page.

I don't like some of the things he says or does either, but doesn't he deserve at least a fair attitude, without bending the facts to one's whim???

Re: how bad are some of those leading our country ?
 

please, you can see the look on his face of surprise and disappointment every time.

Thus far, Obama has proven to me that he deserves nothing. I didn't vote for him then. Didn't like his politics or his policies then, and in my opinion has shown the world just how bad he will make it before he admitts he is wrong.

Open a 5th grade American History book and read what Hoover did to divert the great depression. When you have read your fill, take a look at what has been going on since he took office.

Tom

Re: how bad are some of those leading our country ?
 

Has Obama failed? Greatly. Often? HELL YES! Do I laugh when I see suckers still thinking he's gonna fix it all? Oh GOD yes! Like a kiss on a boo boo. Doesn't really do jack ****!
However to attack any of it is pointless. the failure speaks for it's self and if people can't see it on their own then they won't see it when you point it to them either. Too many people just believed blindly as badly as Obama believed he could do ****. That's the saddest part is that Obama really thinks and thought he could fix it. Just like that.

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That is one of the biggest problems. Young adults as well as older ones don't know history. To not know it is to repeat it. All you have to do is to look at the past to figure out what to do now! No, no they won't! :mad: :mad:

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I didn't vote for him either. I couldn't have even if I wanted, as I am not a US citizen. However, I think that many voted for him just because they considered him a lesser evil than the opposing candidate. I personally know several such people. They are not convinced that McCain would have done better job.

I studied a different history in my 5th grade, so I am not sure what Hoover did to stop the oncoming depression. I am also not sure if what you said was a sarcastic remark (i.e., what Hoover did actually made depression worse). But I looked at Wikipedia, and it largely blames Hoover's actions for deepening and worsening the depression:

Re: how bad are some of those leading our country ?
 

Ordinary people throughout the rest of the world were thrilled that with the election of Obama, democracy had been so absolutely demonstrated in an historic and tangible way. You should be increasing still further your status in the eyes of the world, by utilising the advantage of having such a significant personage as a front man.

As we on the outside understand it, you do not have any form of a dictatorship. Surely there are no grounds whereby the president should be made a solitary scapegoat. Or does he alone run the USA ? :confused:

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I was not being sarcastic about Hoover. If you look at what Hoover had done to stimulate the economy and create jobs by funding federal and state projects, it is a mirror image to what Obama is trying to do today. The democratic party that leads this country today has likely been taking notes from it. I do not understand why they think such foolish actions would be any better today than they were then. Example, GM is getting more money from the federal government for a bail-out. WHY???? It is an open market and as far as I am concerned they should be allowed to go out of business. Products and technology change and with that change a company must keep up. Consumers change based on the market and visa versa. With all of this going on GM should be doing a better job catering to the market than government politics to stay afloat. What you are hailing as a Democracy is the result of the majority of under educated people who felt there was something to gain from a democratic government. unfortunately, it comes down to this. They are failing, horribly, and they are continuing to dig this country deeper and deeper until they hit the bedrock. At which point they will likely break out the jack-hammer and continue on. The democrats NEED to be thrown out of office and real leadership be instituted. Am I a man for the job? No. Was McCain?? possibly. Problem is, an election is always the result of a lesser of two evils vote. In this case a judgement of evil was in the form of monies not handed out by the gov't.

He can turn it around, other demo's can realize their mistakes before it is too late. although I believe it already is. But if no one has anything to say about it, they will continue destroying this country

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Thank you for see that last part. BUT as my big problem was after he won... and durring the voting and running, the president doesn't REALLY have the power to do anything but say yah or nah on what is already put together and say "I want this or that". There is no way that a President as solely the President can do ****. He cabinet will do a lot but they have to as well be the a proper possition for anything. He's just a big sweet talker with promises. I mean they all are but for him to actually THINK he could change it is just ignorance...
Once his term is over I'm certain no one will reelect him. I don't really care Dem or Rep it's a matter of experience. McCain has been around long enough to have contacts and to as was stated know what did and didn't work int he past and to use the strings he's laid putting in his years in service of the country. I"m not saying he wouldn't have had his own screw ups. I'd rather someone driving the big bus with a bad gear and a few parts that need maintance that's been around the block a few decades than a fresh kid that just got his learner's permit.

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"In my own life in my own small way, I have tried to give back to this country that has given me so much," she said. "See, that's why I left a job at a big law firm for a career in public service, "...
Michelle Obama

No, Michele Obama does not get paid to serve as the First Lady and she doesn't perform any official duties. But this hasn't deterred her from hiring an unprecedented number of staffers to cater to her every whim and to satisfy her every request in the midst of the Great Recession.

Just think, Mary Lincoln was taken to task for purchasing china for the White House during the Civil War. And Mamie Eisenhower had to shell out the salary for her personal secretary from her husband's salary.

Total Personal Staff members for other first ladies paid by taxpayers:

Mamie Eisenhower: One-- paid for personally out of President's salary.
Jackie Kennedy: One
Roseline Carter: One
Barbara Bush: One
Hilary Clinton: Three
Laura Bush: One
Michele Obama: Twenty-two


How things have changed! If you're one of the tens of millions of Americans facing certain destitution, earning less than subsistence wages stocking the shelves at Wal-Mart or serving up McDonald cheeseburgers,prepare to scream and then come to realize that the benefit package for these servants of Ms Michelle are the same as members of the national security and defense departments and the bill for these assorted lackeys is paid by YOU, John Q. Public:

Michele Obama's personal staff:

One.. $172,200 - Sher, Susan (Chief Of Staff)
Two.. $140,000 - Frye, Jocelyn C. (Deputy Assistant to the President and Director of Policy And Projects For The First Lady)
Three.. $113,000 - Rogers, Desiree G. (Special Assistant to the President and White House Social Secretary for Mrs. Obama)
Four.. $102,000 - Johnston, Camille Y. (Special Assistant to the President
and Director of Communications for the First Lady)
Five.. $100,000 - Winter, Melissa (Special Assistant to the President and Deputy Chief Of Staff to the First Lady)
Six.. $90,000 Medina , David S. (Deputy Chief Of Staff to the First Lady)
Seven.. $84,000 - Lilyveld, Catherine M. (Director and Press Secretary to the First Lady)
Eight.. $75,000 - Starkey, Frances M. (Director of Scheduling and Advance for the First Lady)
Nine.. $70,000 - Sanders, Trooper (Deputy Director of Policy and Project for the First Lady)
Ten.. $65,000 - Burnough, Erinn (Deputy Director and Deputy Social Secretary)
Eleven.. $64,000 - Reinstein, Joseph B.(Deputy Director and Deputy Social Secretary)
Twelve.. $62,000 - Goodman, Jennifer R. (Deputy Director of Scheduling and Events Coordinator For The First Lady)
Thirteen.. $60,000 Fitz, Alan O.(Deputy Director of Advance and Trip Director
for the First Lady)
Fourteen.. $57,500 - Lewis, Dana M. (Special Assistant and Personal Aide to the First Lady)
Fifteen... $52,500 - Mustaphi, Semonti M. (Associate Director and Deputy Press Secretary To The First Lady)
Sixteen.. $50,000 - Jarvis, Kristen E. (Special Assistant for Scheduling and Traveling Aide To The First Lady)
Seventeen.. $45,000 - Lechtenberg, Tyler A. (Associate Director of Correspondence For The First Lady)
Eighteen.. $43,000 - Tubman, Samanth a (Deputy Associate Director, Social Office)
Nineteen.. $40,000 - Boswell, Joseph J. (Executive Assistant to the Chief Of Staff to the First Lady)
Twenty.. $36,000 - Armbruster, Sally M. (Staff Assistant to the Social Secretary)
Twenty-One... $35,000 - Bookey, Natalie (Staff Assistant)
Twenty-Two.. $35,000 - Jackson, Deilia A. (Deputy Associate Director of Correspondence for the First Lady)
(total $1,591,200 in annual salaries)

There has NEVER been anyone in the White House at any time who has created such an army of staffers whose sole duties are the facilitation of the First Lady's social life.

One wonders why she needs so much help, at taxpayer expense.
Note: This does not include makeup artist Ingrid Grimes-Miles, 49, and "First Hairstylist" Johnny Wright, 31, both of whom traveled aboard Air Force One to Europe .
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Copyright 2009 Canada Free Press.Com
canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12652

Yes, I know, The Canadian Free Press had to publish this, perhaps because America no longer has a free press and the USA media is too scared that they might be considered racist or suffer at the hands of Obama.

Sorry America !

Don't forget to look at the picture of a receipt for an afternoon snack for Michelle!! :mad:

Lee

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The facts:

http://m.factcheck.org/2009/08/michelle-obamas-staff/

And regarding that "receipt:"

http://http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/dec/02/chain-email/official-looking-receipt-is-a-fake/

Re: how bad are some of those leading our country ?
 

"creating jobs" is taken literally on capital hill... Too bad who is paying for them is not...

and just for a little light hearted humor... Why are there no cooking utensils on her reciept?? Why wasn't she in the kitchen?:p

Tom

Re: how bad are some of those leading our country ?
 

http://m.factcheck.org/2009/08/michelle-obamas-staff/


yes, she has that many, but so did most.


BUT I don't understand why the tax payers have to pay for any of them. They are not elected and they have no official roll.

Re: how bad are some of those leading our country ?
 

The ideal president was Grover Cleveland. He refused to mess with the economy and foreign affairs that did not threaten the United States. There was no national debt when he was president, nor were there high taxes, and we were witnessing an industrial revolution consequently.

As for the New Zealander on this board stating that we should be embracing Obama because other countries supposedly view him as a great catalyst for "change", do we not have to analyze his ideas of change first? Or is it just because he is black and wants to make everything free that we should glorify and respect him?

Re: how bad are some of those leading our country ?
 

Anybody watch the John Adams series that was on cable (HBO I think) I watched it from Netflix. Good mini series supposed to be alot of historical research and authenticity in it. Almost, gives the impression that things haven't changed a whole lot since the country was founded. Everyone looking for their piece of the pie. I really dislike where I see this administration taking things. I really really dislike the way race is or has become more of an issue. I dislike affirmative action and some of their (the administration) attempts at new equal opportunity mandates (encourages reverse racism). When promotions and hiring is no longer about who is best for the job then you might as well be on a sinking ship. A black man as president? Great I have no problem with that idea, prefer someone more like Gen. Colin Powell over a Chicago lawyer. I think H. Reid and the plastic faced N. Pelosi are despicable people in general. I can't stand how everything shady is being done under the guise of "in the best interests of the people" while disregarding and even ridicule the people. It's a shame really. Plus there really aren't too many great options coming up for 2012.

Re: how bad are some of those leading our country ?
 

In no way did I state or imply, “other countries supposedly view him (Obama), as a great catalyst for 'change' ". Accuracy is called for and questioning sarcasm should be avoided.

I'm just going to throw Ron Paul out there and see who takes the bait.

Re: how bad are some of those leading our country ?
 

Nevermind lol, article was faked.

Re: how bad are some of those leading our country ?
 

If you don't like Obama, why aren't you running for office?

Like the red-necks in Southpark famiously said: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT0OqHr3wHQ

Re: how bad are some of those leading our country ?
 

Wow, how did I miss your Paul bait NikFu, I am a Ron Paul supporter.
Ron Paul is one of the few people in our government that actually understands what the role of the federal government is as defined by the constitution, and votes accordingly.

I think his ideas on foreign affairs and economic policy are the correct ones to fix the mess that we have gotten ourselves into.

Everyone please watch this 3min video from my youtube channel:




Our country is in trouble, and it will be a painful time for a country to repair this mess. It will take its toll on every American in form or rising consumer prices, and falling wages, but we must endure the treatment, because if we keep fallowing the same course we are on, the crash that will come when the world realizes that our money is backed my nothing, and that we will never be able to repay what we owe, will be even more painful.

People do not realize that our entire economy is a bubble. A bubble based on a currency backed by nothing other faith in the us government to make good on its debt. How long do you think other countries are going to continue to buy our debt?
I mean that is what they are doing when they buy treasuries. They buy them now to hold them and make a profit later. Well if our inflation is out of control, with the federal reserve just throwing money at any problem by the billions, those treasuries will be worth less or worthless when time comes to trade them back. Would you keep buying them?
If China stops buying our debt, then the federal reserve will have to print more money out of thin air to make up the difference to pay for our government spending, thus devaluing our currency. If this cycle continues, other nations may no longer accept dollars for commodities and our entire economy will collapse.
We cannot barrow and bomb our way out of debt. We need real change.

Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Ron Paul.

Here is my youtube channel:
http://www.youtube.com/user/LibertyRevolution
Let it not be said that I did nothing, I try to educate others.

BTW, I am a CT resident and Peter Schiff supporter also. Go PETER!!!

Re: how bad are some of those leading our country ?
 

A must listen for everyone particularly you liberals.

http://www.infowars.com/steve-wynn-takes-on-washington/

Lee

Re: how bad are some of those leading our country ?
 

And the point of that was? Seems like he has a hard-on for Chinese $$$.

Re: how bad are some of those leading our country ?
 

If you don't understand the point, it's obvious why you probably voted for Obama and you probably wouldn't understand it if I explained it to you. :rolleyes:

Lee

Re: how bad are some of those leading our country ?
 

Maybe you can understand this--it's a bit of the same kind of thinking addressed in the above by the current politicians in power:




In just six months, the largest tax hikes in the history of America will take effect.
They will hit families and small businesses in three great waves on January 1, 2011:

First Wave:
Expiration of George Bush's 2001 and 2003 Tax Relief
In 2001 and 2003, the GOP Congress enacted several tax cuts for investors, small business owners, and families. These will all expire on January 1, 2011:

Personal income tax rates will rise. The top
income tax rate will rise from 35 to 39.6 percent (this is also the rate at which two-thirds of small business profits are taxed). The lowest rate will rise from 10 to 15 percent. All the rates in between will also rise. Itemized deductions and personal exemptions will again phase out, which has the same mathematical effect as higher marginal tax rates. The full list of marginal rate hikes is below:


- The 10% bracket rises to an expanded 15%

- The 25% bracket rises to 28%

- The 28% bracket rises to 31%

- The 33% bracket rises to 36%

- The 35% bracket rises to 39.6%



Higher taxes on marriage and family. The
"marriage penalty" (narrower tax brackets for married
couples) will return from the first dollar of income. The child tax credit will be cut in half from $1000 to $500 per child. The standard deduction will no longer be doubled for married couples relative to the single level. The dependent care and adoption tax credits will be cut.


The return of the Death Tax.
This year, there is no death tax. For those dying on or after January 1 2011, there is a 55 percent top death tax rate on estates over $1 million. A person leaving behind two homes and a retirement account could easily pass along a death tax bill to their loved ones.


Higher tax rates on savers and investors.
The capital gains tax will rise from 15 percent this year to 20 percent in 2011. The dividends tax will rise from 15 percent this year to 39.6 percent in 2011. These rates will rise another 3.8 percent in 2013.


Second Wave:
Obamacare

There are over twenty new or higher taxes in Obamacare. Several will first go into effect on January 1, 2011. They include:

The "Medicine Cabinet Tax"
Thanks to Obamacare, Americans will no longer be able to use health savings account (HSA), flexible spending account (FSA), or health reimbursement (HRA) pre-tax dollars to purchase non-prescription, over-the-counter medicines (except insulin).

The "Special Needs Kids Tax"
This provision of Obamacare imposes a cap on flexible spending accounts (FSAs) of $2500 (Currently, there is no federal government limit). There is one group of FSA owners for whom this new cap will be particularly
cruel and onerous: parents of special needs children. There are thousands of families with special needs children in the United States, and many of them use FSAs to pay for special needs education. Tuition rates at one leading school that teaches special needs children
in Washington , D.C. ( National Child Research Center ) can easily exceed $14,000 per year.
Under tax rules, FSA dollars can not be used to pay for this type of special needs education.

The HSA Withdrawal Tax Hike.
This provision of Obamacare increases the additional tax on non-medical early withdrawals from an HSA from 10 to 20 percent, disadvantaging them relative to IRAs
and other tax-advantaged accounts, which remain at 10 percent.


Third Wave:
The Alternative Minimum Tax and Employer Tax Hikes

When Americans prepare to file their tax returns in January of 2011, they'll be in for a nasty surprise-the AMT won't be held harmless, and many tax relief provisions will have expired.
The major items include:

The AMT will ensnare over 28 million families, up from 4 million last year.
According to the left-leaning Tax Policy Center , Congress' failure to index the AMT will lead to an explosion of AMT taxpaying families-rising from 4 million last year to 28.5 million. These families will have to calculate their
tax burdens twice, and pay taxes at the higher level. The AMT was created in 1969 to ensnare a handful of taxpayers.

Small business expensing will be slashed and 50% expensing will disappear. Small businesses can normally expense (rather than slowly-deduct, or "depreciate") equipment purchases up to $250,000. This will be cut all the way down to $25,000. Larger businesses can
expense half of their purchases of equipment. In January of 2011, all of it will have to be "depreciated."

Taxes will be raised on all types of businesses.
There are literally scores of tax hikes on business that will take place. The biggest is the loss of the "research and
experimentation tax credit," but there are many, many others. Combining high marginal tax rates with the loss of this tax relief will cost jobs.

Tax Benefits for Education and Teaching Reduced.
The deduction for tuition and fees will not be available. Tax credits for education will be limited. Teachers will no longer be able to deduct classroom expenses. Coverdell Education Savings Accounts will be cut. Employer-provided educational assistance is curtailed. The student loan interest deduction will be disallowed for hundreds of thousands of families.

Charitable Contributions from IRAs no longer allowed.
Under current law, a retired person with an IRA can contribute up to $100,000 per year directly to a charity from their IRA. This contribution also counts toward an annual "required minimum distribution." This ability will no longer be there.

PDF Version Read more: <; http://www.atr.org/six-months-untilb...#ixzz0sY8waPq1

Now your insurance is INCOME on your W2's......

One of the surprises we'll find come next year, is what follows - - a little "surprise" that 99% of us had no idea was included in the "new and improved" healthcare legislation . . . the dupes, er, dopes, who backed this administration will be astonished!

Starting in 2011, (next year folks), your W-2 tax form sent by your employer will be increased to show the value of whatever health insurance you are given by the company. It does not matter if that's a private concern or governmental body of some sort. If you're retired? So what; your gross will go up by the amount of insurance you get.

You will be required to pay taxes on a large sum of money that you have never seen. Take your tax form you just finished and see what $15,000 or $20,000 additional gross does to your tax debt. That's what you'll pay next year. For many, it also puts you into a new higher bracket so it's even worse.


This is how the government is going to buy insurance for the 15% that don't have insurance and it's only part of the tax increases.

Not believing this??? Here is a research of the summaries.....

On page 25 of 29: TITLE IX REVENUE
PROVISIONS- SUBTITLE A: REVENUE OFFSET PROVISIONS-(sec. 9001,
as modified by sec. 10901) Sec.9002 "requires employers
to include in the W-2 form of each employee the aggregate cost of applicable employer sponsored group health coverage that is excludable from the employees gross income."

Joan Pryde is the senior tax editor for the Kiplinger letters.
Go to Kiplingers and read about 13 tax changes that
could affect you. Number 3 is what is above."

Read it all and weep.

Lee

Re: how bad are some of those leading our country ?
 

I'm going to fill you in on a little secret around here. There are two types of people in the world:

SVXers named "Lee", and liberals. :p


We get it, Obama sucks. I didn't vote for him.

Re: how bad are some of those leading our country ?
 

Thanks for the clarification NikFu. :lol:

Mr. Lee, you realize that taxes actually pay for things? Like schools, school books, lunches for kids at school, roads, the defense of our nation, etc. ad nausium. I'm all for paying taxes, as long as they aren't going into someone's pocket because I actually use a lot of the services provided by taxes, like the government subsidized student loans I'm paying off. If you want a tax break, petition your representatives to pass laws taxing the super rich, they are the ones who can actually afford it. Do you drive on roads? Did you go to public schools? Do you go to parks?

When I asked the point of your video, it wasn't out of ignorance, I heard what the guy was saying. I just tend to block out people, like Mr. Wynn, who curse during interviews and are so entrenched in their ideals that they can't seem to stay calm when discussing them. Hard to take someone seriously when they react like a nut-job during an interview.:bash:

Re: how bad are some of those leading our country ?
 

Yes, I definitely understand that taxes pay for things, but it was proven that tax revenues actually INCREASED when the taxes in the current law were DECREASED.

The very classes of people being hit the hardest on taxes are the ones that INVEST, START Businesses, HIRE workers, AND SPEND money on the economy. Every single one of these activities creates jobs and increases the tax base thereby increasing tax revenues. (You will note; however, that ALL working people will be hit with higher INCOME taxes and have already been hit by many new hidden taxes under this administration)

The federal government taking the taxes and then giving much of it away to nonproductive people or for deadend onetime projects or even worse yet, hiring more government employees (mostly to oversee and administer giveaway programs) adding a tremendous long term expense on the taxpayers-----DOES NOT increase tax revenue.

Lee

Re: how bad are some of those leading our country ?
 

I fall into the highest tax rate category, and already pay far too much in taxes. I payed over 9k in taxes last year, and only got 1400 bucks back on a return. What is that all about? Besides, I don't want my taxes going to welfare, food stamps, or people that get abortions (on my tax dollar under obamacare) just because their parents probably should have had abortions 18 years ago.

I don't want to pay for peoples health care at all, really. I got myself a job and was fortunate enough to get health care supplied by my employer. So why should I make 50k gross, but pay taxes on 70k? I am trying to save up for a house and build engines :p. This will never happen if they keep taxing us without representation.

Re: how bad are some of those leading our country ?
 

The super rich don't pay taxes, the super rich own companies.
Companies don't pay taxes, only people do.
Taxes are passed down from the super rich to the people though increased consumer prices.

BTW, using taxes to provide services only makes those services more expensive.

Same goes with anything that is government regulated or mandated.
Just look at car insurance. It used to be cheap when it was optional. Now that it is mandated it is expensive.
You think heathcare is expensive now, just wait until you are mandated to have it...
Healthcare is going to eat 1/4 of your income.

Taxes eat 1/3 income.

So that is ~60% of your income.

That is 60% of your labor is returned to the goverment/government controled industry, they have a word for this, its called fascism.

Obama's Wife Vacations
 

Obama's wife will take EIGHT (8) vacations this summer at taxpayers expense.

http://www.bing.com/news/search?q=mi...n+trips+summer

Lee

Re: how bad are some of those leading our country ?
 

There are a few others besides Lee here. And yes, I will second the vote on Obama - he sucks. :mad:

Re: how bad are some of those leading our country ?
 

How many of you have ever worked for a poor man? They don't hire people because they don't have any money to do so. The "Rich" are the ones who hire people and supply most of the jobs. The only other job provider is Government, and they use your money to do it. What is the definition of RICH anyway? I have asked people that question and the number goes from $50,000 to a million or more. Obama's definition went from over $250,000 to less than $100,000. He also said that he would cut taxes and not raise taxes on people making less than $250,000. NOT!

I provide my workers with health care insurance. I pay them well and they are loyal to my company. I just got notice that my coverage on my workers is being dropped at the end of the year. I can no longer provide my workers with the health care that they deserve. It is no longer is available. It is not my choice, but one that has been made for me. :(

I am so uncertain of what Obama has up his sleave, I am not hiring any new employees at this time. I don't know if I can afford it. I have to wait to see what is in store for me in the future. I don't know any other responsible business hiring now because of the same uncertain taxes or regulations that may be coming. Jobs are not going to come back anytime soon the way things are going. :(