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At the very least a reference, or better still a link, should be included within the how to stuff.

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Thanks SE!!! saved me a bunch of troubleshooting!

Re: NO MORE CLICK click CLICK START..ONLY START!
 

Very handy thread, second that this should be kept somewhere handily found.

my car has been starting every time since. Big help in the reliability department.

Thanks, SVX World Network, and SomethingElse, in particular. :D

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Reference most certainly should be be included within the how too stuff.

Here we have a fault located and fixed, rather than the application of a band aid. The fitting of a slave relay is a means of overcoming a defective circuit, but when the fault has not been located and fixed, future trouble remains in the waiting.

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Consider the request submitted to those who can make this happen.

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Adding my two cents. Better pic of location to post in parts location section of How-To.

You will note that it is a long mounting bolt (14mm head) that DOES NOT need to be completely screwed out. The mounting bracket on the relay is slotted and will slip out when the bolt is loosened. IF the part you buy has a mounting hole, simply clip the ends as in pic StarterRelay4.

Bosch part# 0332204150
Autozone part# 19861
Carquest part# RY115

And I fully agree--WHY do the bandaid fix instead of the REAL fix???? Uses the same part.

Lee

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Great information Lee! Thank you!!!

To answer your question, we all went to the bandaid fix because we wanted to start our cars and no one on this form had a clue what the story was on the circuit so some of us designed an excellent way to get the car started.
I will certainly replace the correct part on my 2 cars now that I know what to do.
Changing the correct part will last longer than the mod as well because starting the car with the correct part will not involve relay contacts that arc when the ignition switch is turned to start!
With the old mod, the relays have a short lifespan if the car is started a lot.

Thanks again, Lee!

Keith:cool:

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one more little thing...
The howto section might be technically correct, however... It would go mostly unseen on this form.

Keith:cool:

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I put "click" and "start" in the title because they seemed to be the most common words people would search for that have this complaint about our no start condition.

I feel the need to add some addional info.
My ignition switch finally took a final crap my car wont start at all now...
Gads already replaced it once before I got the car. It seems when these contacts start going bad in the relay it begins to draw excessive current through the switch causing more arcing, melting contacts.

Do yourself a favor. if your experiencing this symptom and have no idea if the switch or relay have been replaced...It would be good practice to replace both pieces at the same time. This way one wont wear out the other and both parts will last longer.

the Ignition switch subaru # ....83131pa000 (thanks hocrest)
and the relay (thanks Ihop77)
Bosch part# 0332204150
Autozone part# 19861
Carquest part# RY115

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Sigh

I was hoping for a 10 dollar relax fix but I can't find the rely. I checked the diagram for the alarm system and it seems they would have removed it in install. Now I have to order the expensive ignition and hope that fixes the issue. Because I'll be damn there is no relay up there like the one pictured.

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Come on guitar picker!

Bite the bullet and get your head under there and find that rascal!!

Maybe a good light and a mirror would do the trick for you.

Keith:cool:

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Trust me its not under that dash or near the steering column. I spent 3 hrs today looking for that thing. I did learn a lot about the Clifford alarm system installed on the car. I shifted though all the wires including the "glass break and immobilizer boxes or whatever". They did manage to place the bolt in the proper mounting place but minus the relay.

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Just on the off chance that it is the gearbox inhibitor switch, try starting it in N instead of P.

Harvey.

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Started right up. today I haven't had the clicking issue but I'm sure it will return.

Whoo hoo!

This worked for me. :D

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You are right it is the inhibitor switch that is causing the trouble, but it is the high current flow that is the problem. I would do the Bosch relay mod to remove the 30 amp flow from all the switches that carry it. If you do the mod you can forget about replacing the switch as it will work OK when they only carry the 0.1.. amps that the relay needs to switch the 30 amps to the starter .

This is a link to the mod.
Cheers Harvey.

http://www.subaru-svx.net/forum/show...ht=Bosch+relay

Re: NO MORE CLICK click CLICK START..ONLY START!
 

Harvey that link doesn't work, I get 404 error.

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Sorry try .this.
http://www.subaru-svx.net/forum/show...ht=Bosch+relay

Harvey.

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yup that works.

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It is not high current which is, or could be causing the problem. If this is/was the cause, there would have always been a problem, and every SVX would have a problem. The problem is caused by a fault which has developed, as a result of high current.

The faulty component should be located and corrected. Otherwise there could be a return of the problem at some later date.

For confirmation and the complete correct information, run back here to posts #46 and #47 and then read this thread through completely.

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Trever and Harvey,

Trust me no one wants this clicking to go away more then me. I have searched high and low for this relay but will do so again in an attempted to make sure I haven't missed it. I am not sure about the band aid fix but if that is the root of the problems that is a different story. I appreciate both your guys help .

My issue is special with it being warmer not having the clicking happening as much. as a matter of fact in the past 3 days I haven't really recalled it clicking but it might have. In place of the not clicking I have developed stalling which I will contribute to MAF due to it random and starting right back up. Good thing I have another svx with a good one...

Re: NO MORE CLICK click CLICK START..ONLY START!
 

I think the "Clifford alarm system installed on the car." statement tells volumes!

The "missing relay" is also part of the original alarm system circuit...

Keith:cool:

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When a security system is not fitted, the starter interrupt relay is not fitted and the relay plug connection is bridged by a simple plug. If your car was not fitted with a security system from new, there will be no relay.

It would appear that you have two intermittent faults and therefore have a real problem. As by now you will realise, you can't locate a fault when it is not playing up. :( The ignition switch must be very suspect, as it the item you are moving most often.

You talk about warmth/heat. The major factor here will be the temperature of the actual car. How do things compare, cold/hot engine? :confused:

You are the detective on site. Having received information, apply common sense and logic. In these circumstances the simple approach can be vital, and applied on the spot supersedes science. If you find a clue, shout. You are not on your own. ;)

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Couldn't have said it better... Or could I?

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Keith,

I think I misunderstood you and my apologies for that. I appreciate everyone's help in this matter.

Trevor,

To answer your question about car temperature it has not affected the clicking. I have had it clicking while cold and warm from what I recall. I will start taking note of when it offers again. I have not ,today while driving, noticed it again. The temperature outside has been in the 80-90 (Fahrenheit). I can't comment on the nature of the issue again until it occurs again.

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I appreciate that, guitar picker. As an old navy man and a guitar picker my self, I am one of your biggest fans!:D

Keith:cool:

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This is funny because I have been meaning to add this relay to my car because it will currently start even with the alarm sounding, as I pulled the security box off the AWD donor car long ago. Perhaps I should leave it?

This crappy relay must be an SOA deal. I know the alarm was handled by SOA..it seems odd that the car would have come with a bosch relay..

Re: NO MORE CLICK click CLICK START..ONLY START!
 

not as odd as you might think. all of mine use Bosch relays... more than one of them.

the 30,000 miles Bordeaux pearl one ... 36,000 liquid silver miles one, 187,000 miles claret one as well.

Have to admit I was surprised on the first one till I got to considering the possible reasons.:)

Keith:cool:

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Worked for me too! YESSSS! Good find...I've been annoyed by this for years :)

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The relay involved here uses normally closed contacts which rely on spring pressure, in order to maintain contact. The relay is being used in accordance with its absolute maximum specifications and therefore trouble is always likely. It is included in the security system in order to interrupt the starter circuit, when the system is armed.

If this feature is not considered necessary, or in the event that the OEM security system is nor being used, the relay can be, and should be removed and bypassed.. The two wires coloured blue/white and black/white, connected to the sockets in the connector, which form an inner "T", should be connected together, or the sockets securely bridged.

It could be a good idea to have this information included in the new how too section.

Re: NO MORE CLICK click CLICK START..ONLY START! starter relay
 

Finally got around to doing this today...havent had the issue with this car often...but why not. Thanks

Greg

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Sweet! im glad this thread is helping so many PPL! :D

should it be a sticky yet?

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Will this solution only work on cars that originally came with a security system? I have a 1996 L that is clicking and not starting. Is it true that I don't even have the relay?

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Dan the starter system has a few contacts that fail due to the high current that flows, when the starter is first hit. These are the ignition key switch, gearbox inhibitor switch and the security relay, (if the car is fitted with it). any of these can burn and cause the 'click, click,' problem. The most common, is the gearbox inhibitor switch, you may find it will start if the lever is in N.
The best fix is to fit the Bosch relay to the starter solenoid, to reduce the heavy current flow, through these contacts, as the Bosch 30 amp relay will handle high current flow, saving all the contacts.

Harvey.

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The click-no-start-thing revisited:

The silver SVX has had occasional warm-weather-and-engine starting issues as long as I've had it, but almost always turns over after a 3-5 tries. I've replaced the ignition switch and the little under-dash relay, to no avail. Since the weather's turned warm I've been getting the click-business even with a cold engine, which is rare, and could figure on the starter not engaging on the first try maybe half the time.

Changed the battery in this car Sunday; not because the old one had died, just PM. With the battery out I decided to disconnect and clean-up and lube the ground point immediately forward the battery box. (Didn't look bad.) I also put a charger on the new battery.

Since then I've driven it to work twice, to lunch, to the bank, to the gas station. Every time it has started on the first lick. So this probably isn't news to those of you who know about such stuff, but clearly, the trouble (at least with my car) has to do with providing adequate juice for the starter to do its thing. FWIW...

dcb

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Good helpful information! Thanks for passing it along.:)

Keith:cool:

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I've never "fixed" mine. The "bandaid" has been working for me for over 7 years now.

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I want to sincerely thank the folks that did all the research before me. My '92 Pearlie has had this intermittent issue for the past year; it first manifested itself last July in a little Texas town on a Sunday. Fortunately, it started after a few clicks. The 'click, click, click' became more frequent over the past year and research led me to this posting.

I found the Auto Zone relay without a hitch, although they say it's an A/C relay in their computer.

The only 'down-side' to the whole operation is my 64 year old body doesn't contort to access the under dash area like it did when I was 25.

Thanks again,
Roy in AZ

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Awesome, Im glad some people still use the search feature to find this thread. :)

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Mine is always caused by low battery voltage, it clicks I check, its below 12, I charge she starts, although probly one day it will not, cheers all...................G