Team ONeill Rally School

[shotgunslade]

Did the three day rally school at Team ONeill earlier this week. It was really a hoot. Took a little while to shed some of my hard-earned asphalt instincts and get used to driving on wet gravel. Once the transition is made, though, it has a much greater hoot to risk ratio than track days. Left foot braking, pendulum turns, steering with brake and accelerator (turning the wheel doesn't do anything, the car just keeps going straight ahead, touch the brake and the rear end comes around pretty as you please). I will go back as soon as I can. Maybe I need to forget about the respray on the SVX, add 3" of height to the Ground Controls, get some gravel tires, and find the nearest rallycross. Here is a clip of one of my runs taken by my faithful co-driver Christian Anschuetz. Don't know if you can see it, if you're not his or my friend on Facebook (let me know and I'll try to post it to youtube, if you can't get it). Watch it full screen

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=145413172151101

[shotgunslade]

I'm new to Facebook, so I just realized that no one could view the viodeo posted above. You should be able to view this one.

http://s203.photobucket.com/albums/aa83/shotgunslade/Rally/?action=view&current=DanNallnailstheONeilCompoundCourse-1.mp4

[Trevor]

I'm new to Facebook, so I just realized that no one could view the viodeo posted above. You should be able to view this one.

http://s203.photobucket.com/albums/aa83/shotgunslade/Rally/?action=view&current=DanNallnailstheONeilCompoundCourse-1.mp4

It was really a hoot. Took a little while to shed some of my hard-earned asphalt instincts and get used to driving on wet gravel. Once the transition is made, though, it has a much greater hoot to risk ratio than track days. Left foot braking, pendulum turns, steering with brake and accelerator (turning the wheel doesn't do anything, the car just keeps going straight ahead, touch the brake and the rear end comes around pretty as you please).


We must presume that what is shown was simply a slow run to learn the nature of the circuit, as the car at no time moves even slightly sideways. :confused:

[SVXRide]

Dan,
What name do you go by on Facebook?
-Bill

[shotgunslade]

Trevor:
As always you are an exemplar of how to win friends and influence people. I have to ask: Did your mother even like you?

Yes, it does move sideways. The gravel had been wetted down, so that turning the wheel did almost nothing. I was doing left foot braking, and was doing trail brake turning as opposded to pendulum turns. We did a lot of practice of those, but I wasn't yet confident to be able to place them on a narrow road.

Bill:

I'm Daniel Nall

[SVXRide]

Trevor:
As always you are an exemplar of how to win friends and influence people. I have to ask: Did your mother even like you?

Yes, it does move sideways. The gravel had been wetted down, so that turning the wheel did almost nothing. I was doing left foot braking, and was doing trail brake turning as opposded to pendulum turns. We did a lot of practice of those, but I wasn't yet confident to be able to place them on a narrow road.

Bill:

I'm Daniel Nall



Dan,
Okay, that would explain why "Dan Nall" came up dry.....might your fb handle actually be Daniel H Nall? There are 25 hits that come up when I search on Daniel Nall.
-Bill

[Trevor]

Trevor:
As always you are an exemplar of how to win friends and influence people. I have to ask: Did your mother even like you?

Yes, it does move sideways. The gravel had been wetted down, so that turning the wheel did almost nothing. I was doing left foot braking, and was doing trail brake turning as opposded to pendulum turns. We did a lot of practice of those, but I wasn't yet confident to be able to place them on a narrow road.

Dear dear, Dan:

In another thread you have questioned my knowledge of racing driving. There is no reason at all why I should not have put a straight question to you. Just why was a clear question so unjust? There was nothing hidden between the lines. :confused:

You should address members directly, rather than reply with a nasty sarcastic question. As it happens my mother was an unfortunate complicated personality and an alcoholic. P.S. Use this statement as a means of posting further personal sarcasm, and I will have your guts for garters, regardless. :(

The evidence you present illustrates a sunday drive, as is confirmed by several very experienced long time friends, with whom I am laughing at this moment. :lol: Dale Carniege will not provide the influence you require in order to join them even remotely.


The bonnet/hood line provides an exact indication of the angle of the car and the road. The car does not deviate sideways from the line of travel. There is no evidence of understeering and or lack of controllability. Turning the wheel was obviously effective, however it is noted that the driver is sitting too close. Yes due to the surface, steering could have been a little on the light side and for you, frightening. :o

By our standards you were driving on a very wide road, with loads of run off room provided in case you got into any trouble. :eek: As for the left foot braking and pendulum turns, pull the other tit. ;)

When, if ever you gain experience, you will discover that wet gravel is less slippery than dry. We here have experienced both, when within a short time, it has started to rain heavily halfway through timed speed events, involving repetitive runs on the same course.

I now have a second question, i.e. at what speeds were you travelling. Here right now, we are discussing the speed at which you could/should have been travelling. Exaggeration will be unwise in view of the evidence on hand. :p

I will now stand by for you to push the button so that the clique can intervene and ban me. Good way out for you, for sure. :D

[crash_2365]

Trevor, I'm not going to get in the middle of this, but that is faster than it looks, and I'm pretty sure I saw some decent lateral movement. That's just the nature of a video camera. I'm in nobody's clique, I'm just stating a nonbiased opinion because I'm getting slightly sick of seeing arguements where there most certainly shouldnt be any.

Shotgunslade, that looks fun, I guess I've got something else for my bucket list, seeing as it's only about 2.5 hours from my house:D

[shotgunslade]

Trevor:

Several points. I made no claim of being an accomplished rally driver. I did 3-day school, was introduced to left foot braking, learned some car control techniques modulating back and forth between brake and accelerator in turns, learned how to do pendulum turns and had a fantastically good time. The video I showed was intended to demonstrate the nature of the driving. On that run, I was mostly in control. but it was by no means a straight line experience. The video camera was hand held by my fellow student in the back seat, so he is moving the camera to follow the direction of the car. On several of the runs that he videoed, he braced the camera against the harness as seen below, but that resulted in a much jumpier video. Most of the cars didn't have operative speedometers, but I was maintaining 4000-4200 rpm in 2nd gear into corners, up to redline on straights.

http://s203.photobucket.com/albums/aa83/shotgunslade/Rally/?action=view&current=100_0050.mp4

Your comments reveal much about your character. You laugh at "noobies" trespassing on your claimed territory. Not the welcoming reaction I've had at every driving event I've attended, nor the attitude I've had towards those who are even more "noobie" than I am. It is the attitude of the typical internet bully, making up for the failures of his own life by beleaguering others behind the anonymous veil of his keyboard.

You're like a great dark bird hovering above this forum, looking for likely threads to dive into and leave a noisome token on your visit.

Some might ask, why doesn't someone just shoot that damn bird, that way we wouldn't have to live with his "stuff" dropping from the sky.

Once again, I may be treading on thin ice, but your continuing presence on this forum makes it a much less attractive place to visit.

[shotgunslade]

Crash:

Thanks for the support. The Team Oneill School is a fantastic experience. It isn't cheap, but you get about 2 hours per day of seat time driving, and 2 hours riding. The instructors are reallty good and helpful, all having some competitive rally driving experience. The cars are well maintained and are set up for gravel driving. They have a 640 acre spread in the New Hampshire mountains, with about 20 miles of gravel roads. Annually, they host a rally at the site as part of the Rally America Eastern Division Championship. The proprietor of the school is Tim O'Neill, winner of five North American rally championships, who has driven both as a privateer, and as a factory driver for Volkswagen and Mitsubishi. He individually meets with the students to help them with any particular driving issues they want to explore.

And no matter what our resident expert on all thing automotive says, the wet gravel has much less traction. Day 1, they let you drive in the dry for the morning, then in the afternoon, they send the water truck around the track to wet it down. Big difference. The second day it rained, which was perfect. Very little traction, even to the extent of getting the front wheel cars up to speed.

I didn't do days 4 and 5, because I had to get back to work. I will next spring. On those days, they take you through several of the roads on the site, using course notes read by your student co-driver, to practice both driving and co-driving.

[shotgunslade]

Bill:

I am Daniel H Nall on Facebook, and my avatar is me climbing out of a Panoz school car.

[Trevor]

Trevor:

Your comments reveal much about your character. You laugh at "noobies" trespassing on your claimed territory. Not the welcoming reaction I've had at every driving event I've attended, nor the attitude I've had towards those who are even more "noobie" than I am. It is the attitude of the typical internet bully, making up for the failures of his own life by beleaguering others behind the anonymous veil of his keyboard.

You're like a great dark bird hovering above this forum, looking for likely threads to dive into and leave a noisome token on your visit.

Some might ask, why doesn't someone just shoot that damn bird, that way we wouldn't have to live with his "stuff" dropping from the sky.

Once again, I may be treading on thin ice, but your continuing presence on this forum makes it a much less attractive place to visit.

I note what is a conceited opinion.

When posting ---- "We must presume that what is shown was simply a slow run to learn the nature of the circuit, as the car at no time moves even slightly sideways.:confused:" , I truly anticipated an affirmative reply. N.B. :confused: exactly indicates “confused”, not your assumption that I was being sarcastic. i.e. :rolleyes:

I now use your terms, --- “Your comments reveal much about your character” i.e. that in accordance with same, sarcasm is inherent. Hence your immediate jump to a conclusion and nasty sarcastic reply. N.B. It was your reply --- "Trevor: As always you are an exemplar of how to win friends and influence people. I have to ask: Did your mother even like you?" , which in fact commenced these unfortunate proceedings, now culminating in your above direct unabated slander.

Rattle your dags, :lol:

[sicksubie]

This is sad and also why I dont even bother to read through the forum anymore... I follow maybe half a dozen threads at a time, as they pertain to me, and then avoid all these pathetic ramblings as they are "tales told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing"...

Dan, what was the cost if you dont mind me asking? I have been looking around at doing a couple of rally schools up north of me here in VT and NY...

[shotgunslade]

Bobby:

Sorry about the strife. I probably over-reacted, but...

The cost of the school for 3 days is $2995, for 5 days is $5,000. The 5 day school gets you a provisional license for the Rally America series.

[sicksubie]

This is what I have been trying to get info on... What is meant by, or should I say, allowed by a provisional license?

[shotgunslade]

I may have misspoken. The 4 day school along with the 6 hour licensing seminar that is included free with the Oneill School, allows you ro register for your Novice License and provides you with 4 coefficient points toward your provisional License. The Provisional license requires the Novice License plus 9 coefficient points. Points are accrued by participating in rally events. It seems that Novice and Provisional Drives cannot compete in turbocharged clases.

[sicksubie]

Thanks for the info...