clutch, imput needed

[black beast]

I am buying a new clutch, mine is starting to go.. but I have some factors I have to consider; 1 I plan on going to higher HP as I go on, and 2) My current clutch (and I am no mechanic) does not seem to be able to hold on the lowend torque. I makes a heavy rubbing sound and then the car GOES, (hear 2 sheets of 1000 grit paper rubbing..) so I think I am going with the ACT 6 puck, they also have a 4 puck one, but the 6 is more expensive by like 2 dollars.

Is there any thing I should think about here? Will I be upset? my current one is a very sensitive one, and you can miss the gear fast if you pull back even a little , so, that is what I have now...

any help would be nice.

Again, I am looking to get the ACT 6 puck clutch, heavy pressure plate, and the prolite flywheel. Thanks!!!

[sicksubie]

very stiff clutch.... no need to go that crazy as a stage 2 will be just fine...

[sicksubie]

and if you want help putting it in, gimme a call....

[black beast]

what di you mean by a stage 2? the 6 puck is a stage what? and I hate to do it, but I might take you up on your offer... LOL

[black beast]

they dont have a stage 1 2 3 they have street, 4 puck, and 6 puck. the 4 puck is litterally $2 dollars cheaper. you know more about this then I do, so plz explain
thanks

[sicksubie]

well... I drove YT's car and granted I had no time to really learn the clutch, but the stage 3 6 puck is a very on/ off clutch. I found it difficult to modulate. Maybe with some more driving I would get better, but for me anyway I have the OEM STi clutch in my car now......

[sicksubie]

and let me know how soon you are thinking about getting it done as I would need to know a little bit in advance because of school and stuff....

[GreenMarine]

Again, I am looking to get the ACT 6 puck clutch, heavy pressure plate, and the prolite flywheel. Thanks!!!

I always would recommend an Organic disc with whatever clutch you get (UNLESS you are dragracing and feel like launching the car EVERYSINGLE TIME)... Personally I went with the Exedy Stage 1 organic clutch and an Exedy Light weight flywheel (13lbs vs the ~24lb stocker)...

My first clutch was an 8 puck ceramic and I HATED EVERY SECOND of it's existance in the car... That is one reason it was only in the car for 3 months before I couldn't stand it anymore, took it out and gave it to a member on NASIOC who was building his WRX and needed a drag clutch...

You WILL experience massive clutch shudder with compounds other than organic if you try to slip the clutch (as one normally does when driving around town)... I found that the smoothest way to get off the line with my old clutch was to rev the motor to about 3,000 rpms and come outta the clutch pedal briskly and fully... This gets VERY OLD when you are driving a date to dinner... "I swear I'm not trying to launch the car, but if I don't do this the clutch will rattle your teeth out baby"... Yeah, that got old with her too, and she hasn't ridden in my car since...

Go with the Execy Stage 1 Organic Street clutch... The pressure Plate is stronger than a stock WRX one and the disc is alittle beefer... It will be all you'll ever need... UNLESS you are planning on a 250+whp SVX in the near future... I'm at right about 200whp and 200wtq and the clutch has been in the car since 2003... Done MANY Autocrosses and about 40,000 miles and haven't had a problem with it yet...

~ Chris

[black beast]

so go with the 4 puck? I dont wanna go with the street one and then have too much power... http://www.andysautosport.com/subaru/1995_2001_impreza/transmission/clutch_kits/ link for the clutchs they have... I was gunna go with the prolite flywheel (I heard 12lbs) and the stage 2 (I guess) but here is the site, what do you think?

[sicksubie]

the 4 puck will handle any power you will ever put into the SVX....

[YourConfused]

If you are going w/ a puck style atleast get one w/ the springs, if that is an option.
That's all I can say here as the only import I have had w/ power used a centerforce dual friction which was nice on the street and allowed a hard launch at the track, but after just 6k miles the pressure plate devoleped hot spots and chatter. that was with a break in of 300 miles.

[black beast]

If I do a clutch master spring clutch with a ACT flywheel does that matter?

[GreenMarine]

so go with the 4 puck? I dont wanna go with the street one and then have too much power... http://www.andysautosport.com/subaru/1995_2001_impreza/transmission/clutch_kits/ link for the clutchs they have... I was gunna go with the prolite flywheel (I heard 12lbs) and the stage 2 (I guess) but here is the site, what do you think?

If I do a clutch master spring clutch with a ACT flywheel does that matter?

Dude... Did you read anything I spent 15 mintues writing???... If you buy a buck style cluthc you are doing absolutly NOTHING for drivability...

A stock WRX clutch is fine for an SVX with a swap... A Stage 1 upgraded Organic clutch from Exedy or ACT is all that the average SVX owner will ever need, as they will handle atleast 300 crank HP, and if you get 300 crank HP outta your SVX, we need to talk...

~ Chris

[YourConfused]

Dude... Did you read anything I spent 15 mintues writing???... If you buy a buck style cluthc you are doing absolutly NOTHING for drivability...

A stock WRX clutch is fine for an SVX with a swap... A Stage 1 upgraded Organic clutch from Exedy or ACT is all that the average SVX owner will ever need, as they will handle atleast 300 crank HP, and if you get 300 crank HP outta your SVX, we need to talk...

~ Chris

dido, as why I would recommend buying for the future and getting a stronger pressure plate w/ a smooth clutch. easy driving and longevity due to less clutch wear due to less slippage points to a stock type setup. just factor in the extra weight of the svx and any power you wish to make over time when making your purchase.

[GreenMarine]

I have a feeling that if he gets a "puck style" clutch then we'll be hearing "Youguys were right" within a few days of him installing it and driving it... Seriously, it will make you hate your car and hate driving it...

Stick with either a new Stock WRX clutch (which will still do the job nicely) or a stage 1 organic clutch. It is the same design as stock but with a stronger pressureplate and slightly beefier organic clutch disc...

~ Chris

[SVXRide]

Having driven YT's SC beast with its 6 spd and 6 puck clutch all I can say is "watch out":eek:
-Bill

[TomsSVX]

Having driven YT's SC beast with its 6 spd and 6 puck clutch all I can say is "watch out":eek:
-Bill

For guard rails??:lol::lol::lol:

Tom

[GreenMarine]

For guard rails??:lol::lol::lol:

Tom

Is your SC 6MT SVX hard to control or something Tom?? :D:D

All I know is I want a 2005 STi tranny in my SVX soooo bad I can taste it... The way the 2005 moves the power around makes it the best Subaru tranny I've ever Autocrossed (Autocrossed more 2005 STi's than I have any other Subaru :) )... Unfortunately I am not rich enough to afford one of those trannys :(

~ Chris

[black beast]

ok, thanks guys, I will not buy the puck style clutch... and since noone screamed NO!!! when I asked about combining brands I guess that is no big deal, Thanks for all the imput!

[Speedklix]

I have been using a sprung 6 puck for like 3/4 years :confused: and the worst of it is getting the car moving, no matter what gear you're in it is pretty violent... I often just start off in 2nd though. 1st to 2nd is harsh, after that it is somewhat on off, but it doesn't rip the tires up... you just get a surge of power
:repost:... (from 2006)
...I assume you are using the wrx flywheel and clutch which should be just fine for normal driving. It will slip and lose any power you throw at it as soon as you go showing off though. To make use of more horsepower you will need 1 of two things or both.... 1 is a better gripping surface on your clutch wheel, the other is a tighter gripping pressure plate. I have both. I run a sprung (has spings in it for less shock) 6 puck copper ceramic wheel and my housing is rated at I think it was 1700lbs. could have been more, it may well have even been 2100 I can't remember now, but I do remember the builder told me it would be good for about 320 hp, he said I could get about 450 out of it with another pressure plate (housing) So that is always an upgrade option to switch just that and save some money. I use a different clutch than you, so it wouldn't be exactly the same, but there it is. You should take a year to learn how to drive your 5 spd svx before trying this anyway. An pay no attention to "stage 1"...2...3... junk anyway. All that is most the time is to sucker you in to buying what you don't need... or less than what you need :eek:!! Look for real numbers, not "32% increase" and crap like that. That is just for people who don't know any better. Maybe I'll post a bit more later, but for now... I hope this answers a little.
If you have already run through your first clutch since then, you'll be replacing a puck clutch in no time. The Act presure plate is used in a bunch of odd combos and is ussually where most of the extra grip comes from. That is what was recommended to me as an upgrade by the builder as the next step without going crazy.

Add the ACT upgraded presure plate to the organic as mentioned and that should be a pretty good combo for your plans. When the time comes to pull the engine to perform the upgrade which actually necesitates the need for a heavier clutch, then just upgrade the disc and have your plate and flywheel machined while they are out of the car!

[sicksubie]

2007 STi trans is the smoothest and my fave of any MT I have ever driven...

[GreenMarine]

2007 STi trans is the smoothest and my fave of any MT I have ever driven...

I haven't driven an SVX with a 6 MT yet, nor have I driven an 07 or 08 STi either ... But haven driven the 04, 05 and 06 STi's I have gotten to the point where I can actually feel the different ways the cars react while the DCCD is in "Auto"...

The skinny on the STi Tranny's (2004 - 2006):

2004 - Best for Dragracing and straight line traction... This year had a Suretrac Mechanical Front and Rear Diff... Along with a power split of 38% Front and 62% Rear... Good tranny for putting down power, but it kinda leaves something to be desired when you push it into corners...

2005 - Best for Autocrossing and best all around IMHO... This year had a Quaife (sp?) Front LSD and Suretrac Rear LSD. Power split was the same as the 2004 tranny (38 and 62). The new Quaife front differential allowed MUCH better front end traction when powering out of a corner, where as the Suretrac would just grab the front wheels and wrench your arms out of their sockets if you were holding onto the steering wheel, and you'd get more understeer. Still less than you get in a 5MT with it's open front diff. But alot more than in an 05 or 06...

2006 - If I had to say it was good for something I'd say that I would probably feel the most comfortable driving the piss outta an 06 STi on the Dragon (www.tailofthedragon.com)... A few things changed this year... A steering angle sensor was incorperated to help the DCCD better manage the torque split when in "Auto" mode. However, the power split was changed (from here on out) to 41% front and 59% rear... This might not sound like much but I can tell the difference in the way the two cars drive... I believe that the front diff is still the same Quaife unit as the 2005 tranny but if I'm not mistaken, the center diff was changed. I don't know the full details on it but I believe that it is different than the 04 and 05 trannys...

The 2006 STi feels more "planted" and less willing to slide around. I know what you're thinking... "That's a good thing Chris!!"... Well, yes, if you are taking the kids to school. But if you are going to use an STi for what it was built for (lets face it, it IS a road going rally car right out of the box) then you want one that will apeal to the performance driver.

I have heard that the 2007 STi gearbox is essentially the same as the 2006, just with a taller 6th gear for better fuel economy... I don't know if this is true or not as I haven't driven an 07 or an 08 yet...

But for me, it'd have to be the 2005 STi tranny everytime :D:D

~ Chris