Methanol has arrived.....

[sicksubie]

My methanol injection kit arrived today.... I will hopefully get around to installing it this weekend and hitting the dyno next week.

[Tim]

:D:cool: Good luck. Can't wait to see the plots!

[ridered777]

Need some help, let me know... I could come down after I get outta work on Sunday, at 2ish. I'd love to see it first hand, and drool over that 6spd ;)

[sicksubie]

If you wanna head down I will be home from church at about 1:30... Probably start working on the car at around 3ish... call me if you want to 508 717 4680

[sicksubie]

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s73/facagoalie/silver%20svx/metanol/IMG_7185.jpg
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s73/facagoalie/silver%20svx/metanol/IMG_7186.jpg
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s73/facagoalie/silver%20svx/metanol/IMG_7188.jpg
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s73/facagoalie/silver%20svx/metanol/IMG_7189.jpg
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s73/facagoalie/silver%20svx/metanol/IMG_7187.jpg

The line on the left is a 1/4" line that taps manifold pressure and the line on the right is the 1/4" line that runs to the jet.
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s73/facagoalie/silver%20svx/metanol/IMG_7190.jpg

[longassname]

pretty cool

[sicksubie]

no pun intended right?:lol:

[longassname]

lol,

I really like the idea of a system completely run off manifold pressure like this one.

[sicksubie]

yeah, me too.... It is a much simpler set up too as far as everything is considered...

[sicksubie]

kind of installed. I had to run a t fitting off of the brake booster line. Once the ultra black seals on that I can connect the last line. Then put the intake on and fill up the reservoir. I may have to relocate the whole unit because it is sitting too high, but we will see. Regardless, it is only zip tied in place for now and yet to be permanently affixed anywhere.

[Tim]

I'm not too familiar with methanol injection? I'd imagine you'd have to keep filling the reservoir?

If so how often do you have to refill it?

[sicksubie]

using the largest jet on 18psi you could get in a whole night at the drag strip (about 10 passes). Just driving it aroun it could last as long as you wanted it to as it onl injects when you boost. Drive conservatively and you will never go through a tank, drive hard and it will be used up kinda fast. I am using the smallest jet though and am only boosting 12psi so even seeing the boost while driving I should be okay. I will keep a gallon container of washer fluid in the trunk to refill it anyways......

[Boxersix]

I am using the smallest jet though

You mean you're using the smallest MIG welding tip they provided ;) :lol: Bargain stuff does work though in a pinch though.

You really should be trying to tune the CC/Min delivery for the exact boost level you're running. you can better tune these system my simply working in very small diameter nitrous nozzles and reaming them out to the appropriate sizes via a pin vise. Multiple small nozzles are always better than one large one. It'll maximize the benefits of any injection system, whether a uber dollar Aquamist or the fully functional backyard $100 kit. Funny thing is most of these backyard kits work just as well if not better in some cases, than these more "techy" injection setups(although Aquamist has thier @#$%@#$ together with their systems :thumsup:)

good site you should read up on if you haven't already

http://users.frii.com/maphill/wi.html

[Boxersix]

lol,

I really like the idea of a system completely run off manifold pressure like this one.


yea....but it's all dependent on how well the system can atomize the fluid into a mist. .8 bar just doesn't seem logical to do such a task. Most true system runs in the neighborhood of 5 to 7 bar (~70-100psi) to get the fluid to atomize properly. doesn't do much good as a stream.

sicksubie....anyway you can fill that system and put 12psi to it and take a picture of what the fluid does out of the "nozzle"????? I'd like to see the results if possible.......

[YourConfused]

yea....but it's all dependent on how well the system can atomize the fluid into a mist. .8 bar just doesn't seem logical to do such a task. Most true system runs in the neighborhood of 5 to 7 bar (~70-100psi) to get the fluid to atomize properly. doesn't do much good as a stream.

sicksubie....anyway you can fill that system and put 12psi to it and take a picture of what the fluid does out of the "nozzle"????? I'd like to see the results if possible.......

As would I.

[sicksubie]

dyno on friday.... I should be able to do some fooling around then..

[longassname]

From what sicksubie told me the cobra mustang guys have very good success with this kit including on cars upgraded to whipple chargers. The way it works is the nozzles are put pre-blower and point directly at the screws so the water/meth is sucked up and put through the compression phase where I'm sure it is COMPLETELY vaporized. The cobra mustang racing crowd is serious enough that I bet if the general consensus there is that it works great that it probably does.




You mean you're using the smallest MIG welding tip they provided ;) :lol: Bargain stuff does work though in a pinch though.

You really should be trying to tune the CC/Min delivery for the exact boost level you're running. you can better tune these system my simply working in very small diameter nitrous nozzles and reaming them out to the appropriate sizes via a pin vise. Multiple small nozzles are always better than one large one. It'll maximize the benefits of any injection system, whether a uber dollar Aquamist or the fully functional backyard $100 kit. Funny thing is most of these backyard kits work just as well if not better in some cases, than these more "techy" injection setups(although Aquamist has thier @#$%@#$ together with their systems :thumsup:)

good site you should read up on if you haven't already

http://users.frii.com/maphill/wi.html

[Boxersix]

From what sicksubie told me the cobra mustang guys have very good success with this kit including on cars upgraded to whipple chargers. The way it works is the nozzles are put pre-blower and point directly at the screws so the water/meth is sucked up and put through the compression phase where I'm sure it is COMPLETELY vaporized. The cobra mustang racing crowd is serious enough that I bet if the general consensus there is that it works great that it probably does.

Indeed so, which if in fact is true makes this an rotor-SC only type of injection system as it would be ineffective on any other setup.

I'd still like to see the spray pattern. Simple designs like this kit are often good for specific applications, but with a little bit of tweaking can do wonders in other areas.

[sicksubie]

Here is a pic of where I mounted the jet..... For those not familiar with the stage 3, this is the bottom of the TB adaptor. When the jet is plugged in it will be aiming directly at the blower screws...
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s73/facagoalie/silver%20svx/metanol/IMG_7214.jpg

[sicksubie]

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s73/facagoalie/silver%20svx/metanol/IMG_7216.jpg

[sicksubie]

videos..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFhiF9Uhl0U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvg0EjU8W7I

[Crazy_pilot]

When's it scheduled for some dyno time?:D:D

[sicksubie]

friday.......

[sicksubie]

I put the medium jet on too.... I am driving it tomorrow and I will let you know of any butt dyno sensations....

[SVXRide]

first link just spins...second link is fine...is there going to be a movie of the car actually running with the methanol "spraying";):D
-Bill

[sicksubie]

I suppose i could do that

[sicksubie]

car shuts off under boost and is running 10.0 on the afr under regular driving conditions....... Going to check the TPS so try to correct the AFR and put on a smaller jet... Also, what about the thought of not enough spark to burn everything I am dumping in the motor now? Could that be a cause of it shutting off? I do literally mean the car shuts off 100% while you are moving if you floor it and cross over from vacuum to boost...

[sicksubie]

I went through 4 gallons of gas on a 20 mile round trip this morning.....

[Speedklix]

I went through 4 gallons of gas on a 20 mile round trip this morning.....

Sounds like my stage 2 when I first drove it :lol:

after you check tps...
did you do anything with the heads?? that could cause it.
next I would look at fuel, something could certainly be wrong with your fuel system.

Goodluck, hope you figure it out

[sicksubie]

going to go check the TPS in a minute here.....

[SVXRide]

Bobby,
just to be clear, the only thing you've done to the car since it was running fine is add the methanol kit? If "yes", I'd definitely look at the size of the jet you're running (i.e., go to a much smaller one - consider what Adam was saying about the atomization of the spray)
-Bill

[sicksubie]

The speedometer is all over the map now too

[Speedklix]

I really can't remember where the speedo wires run, but there are a bunch of them behind your tanks mounting location...
that is where I ran my large gauge wire and was real cautious to avoid them when I took the hole saw in there.

...wow my spelling is getting worse every week :tard: S-M-R-T!

[sicksubie]

I looked over the speedo wiring and it looked fine ......

[svxfiles]

going to go check the TPS in a minute here.....

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Dom Portwood: Hi, Bobby. What's happening? We need to talk about your TPS reports.
Bobby Gibbons: Yeah. The coversheet. I know, I know. Uh, Bill talked to me about it.
Dom Portwood: Yeah. Did you get that memo?
Bobby Gibbons: Yeah. I got the memo. And I understand the policy. And the problem is just that I forgot the one time. And I've already taken care of it so it's not even really a problem anymore.
Dom Portwood: Ah! Yeah. It's just we're putting new coversheets on all the TPS reports before they go out now. So if you could go ahead and try to remember to do that from now on, that'd be great. All right!

[SVXRide]

Ah, a reference to the Office Space TPS enforcer...
-Bill

[sicksubie]

The meth kit is out of the car now.....

The issue that I ran into was even the smallest jet was still too much. The kit was designed for Cobra applications, but I had hoped that the most conservative jet would be okay for the EG33. No, luck though. I ran RIDICULOUSLY rich. So it is out with a zex dry shot kit going in instead. I believe that methanol would be a great addition to my set up but something a lot more controllable and more finely tunable.

[RallyBob]

The meth kit is out of the car now.....

The issue that I ran into was even the smallest jet was still too much. The kit was designed for Cobra applications, but I had hoped that the most conservative jet would be okay for the EG33. No, luck though. I ran RIDICULOUSLY rich. So it is out with a zex dry shot kit going in instead. I believe that methanol would be a great addition to my set up but something a lot more controllable and more finely tunable.

I don't know what size jet comes with that kit, but have you looked at McMaster-Carr (http://www.mcmaster.com/ctlg/DisplCtlgPage.aspx?ReqTyp=CATALOG&CtlgPgNbr=2033&term=Misting%2bNozzles&sesnextrep=288300374329963&ScreenWidth=1024&McMMainWidth=812)for alternate sizes (misting nozzles). When my friend ran the Pike's Peak hillclimb in his rallycar a few years ago, I had to design a water-misting system for his intercooler, radiator, and oil cooler. I managed to put together a complete water-misting system for about $180, mostly thanks to McMaster! I ended up with 5 nozzles of various orifice sizes to spray continuously for the 14 miles up the hill without overheating his car. Worked like a charm.

[Myetball]

Just a suggestion.....but you might try a slightly different approach. Instead of a system that comes on when you transition to positive pressure, perhaps a system that only comes on when you're at peak pressure. An adjustable Hobbs switch works well for this.

Replacing the welding nozzles with water misters is a good idea. A much smaller mist nizzle will work better with an electric pump driving the fluid. Also consider a 50/50 mix of denatured alcohol/distilled water.

So uh, basically, a whole different system :eek: