My 1/4 mile times

[Ricochet]

Made three passes, 17.0, 16.9, and 16.8. I got a 17.0 when the car was bone stock, now with a 5sp, stage 2 clutch, ecutune stage 1 chip and big heavy 18" wheels I got a couple tenths quicker. Woohoo. Sure was fun watching everybody else run 9's - 12's all day.

[benebob]

Made three passes, 17.0, 16.9, and 16.8. I got a 17.0 when the car was bone stock, now with a 5sp, stage 2 clutch, ecutune stage 1 chip and big heavy 18" wheels I got a couple tenths quicker. Woohoo. Sure was fun watching everybody else run 9's - 12's all day.


Nice to see your opponents times as you pass the board huh?:D

[LetItSnow]

I grabbed a 15.74 last weekend! I'm sure there was more in there, but I didn't want to thrash the car too hard. I followed up with a pair of 15.9x's, trying some different techniques.

[SVXRide]

I'm thinking there must be something going on with your car....no way you should be going that slow with a 5spd and the stg 1 chip. What was your trap speed?
-Bill

[benebob]

I'm thinking there must be something going on with your car....no way you should be going that slow with a 5spd and the stg 1 chip. What was your trap speed?
-Bill


Remeber Bill 5 speeds tend to be slower in the 1/4 then an auto.

[sicksubie]

Ask YT about that.....

[Ricochet]

I was trapping 79-80 with a check engine light lol

[benebob]

Ask YT about that.....

Why, he'll say the same thing. That's why so many dinosaurs wear their chains below the mullet at drag strips.;)

Trap speed does seem astronomically low, then again we run a 14.2 in the very low 90s.

[ridered777]

Remeber Bill 5 speeds tend to be slower in the 1/4 then an auto.

Perhaps so, but the ratio's on the 4EAT makes it much slower than your average auto. True, the manual is much slower to shift, depending on the driver, but I'd think in the case of the SVX there should be at least a .5sec improvment, just based on the ratio's and where it keeps the powerband...

At least, I would hope so... Otherwise I'll have a very difficult time spending the kind of money it is on a 5spd swap to get the same performance.

[redlightningsvx]

I ran mine a couple weeks ago with my friend racing against me in his chevy corsica(haha) and was running around 15.9-16

[Ricochet]

I was redlining on the 17.0 and shortshifting on the quicker times.. I seem to be losing power up top. That and I have a violent hesitation sometimes. Laziness is keeping me from getting it all checked out.

[Mike621]

I ran a 15.9 my first time at the strip... Bone stock, bad wheel bearings and bad alignment at the time. This was about two years back.

[Nevin]

Last month I ran a 16.1 @ 85. All I had was a cone filter and rx-7 rims with 245 tires. I think the 245's actually hurt my 60' time though, as they were only around 2.4 seconds... I suspect with a 225 I could have had around 2.3 with the light rims.

My $.02

[TomsSVX]

um Ben... u know what makes a 5mt faster...

U guys need to start using ur 5mt to ur advantage and getting sick launches with wrist snapping shifts or not even bother drag racing unless you are there for fun. Ricochet... you should not be drag racing with a CEL while ur car feels like it is struggling

Tom

[Trevor]

I ran a 15.9 my first time at the strip... Bone stock, bad wheel bearings and bad alignment at the time. This was about two years back.

I do not doubt it and find this to be the most interesting evidence recorded. ;)

[AlcyoneDaze]

Im considering making a drag run at Island Dragway in Mansfield before they close up for the season. My car is running fine, transmission shifts strong, so I don't see any reason not to go out and make a couple runs to get a baseline on the car before I start modifying her.
Essentially i can expect to run between 16-17 seconds in a stock SVX with the auto trans?

[NikFu S.]

Essentially i can expect to run between 16-17 seconds in a stock SVX with the auto trans?

The SVX is a 15.4-15.6 second car. If you are running slower than that there is something wrong or you're engine is just tired/beat. I ran 15.67 without AWD. I think if I had traction I would have got right on the 15.5s.

[Trevor]

Im considering making a drag run at Island Dragway in Mansfield before they close up for the season. My car is running fine, transmission shifts strong, so I don't see any reason not to go out and make a couple runs to get a baseline on the car before I start modifying her.
Essentially i can expect to run between 16-17 seconds in a stock SVX with the auto trans?

The very best of good sense. Those without a confirmed absolute base line can only wander in the dark. ;)

You could also consider a timed run, here to there keeping a record of the markers used, up a known slight incline on a known piece of little used and safe road, as a truly reliable basic standard.

[JaySVX]

When my SVX was bone stock i ran in the 16's the two times i took it down the track. Now that I have a 5MT i fully expect to drop 1/2 second off my previous times. Shifting won't be a problem with a sawed off short shifter, about 2" throw from first to second. I can't wait to take it to the strip again, but I think i'm going to wait to get the stage 2 installed, and perhaps exhaust.

NikFu - The SVX was 15.4-15.6 second ¼mile off the factory line. 100+k miles later, you can't possibly expect it to hold the same times, without modification and very good maintenance.

Ricochet - 17 seems awfully high for what you have done to your car. I'd defidently pull the codes for that CEL sooner rather than later, too.

[benebob]

NikFu - The SVX was 15.4-15.6 second ¼mile off the factory line. 100+k miles later, you can't possibly expect it to hold the same times, without modification and very good maintenance.



Actually at about 100k or so is the sweet spot for most engines. Its where it'll produce the best times as it is fully broken in.

I really don't see ours having much change when the 5 speed starts working with all the gears and a clutch that holds it. Launches are very tough to do when you don't have the weight to help keep your tires planted.

[LetItSnow]

...or not even bother drag racing unless you are there for fun.
I wasn't there for cash, trophies, or fame, that's for sure! :D I was only looking for a measure of what it'd do when driven to an old car/rare car/my only car level of drivetrain abuse. Considering the stats on the machine otherwise, I was pleased.

Ah, here's the rest:

60 ft: 2.3068
ET@594ft: 9.4548
1/8 ET: 10.0918
1/8 MPH: 70.64
1/4 ET: 15.7400
1/4 MPH: 86.52

If it's anything like my last car (2000 Legacy GT wagon), it'll probably be the only time I run it down the quarter mile. (Incidentally, the Legacy, weighing in at around 3400 lbs and being tugged by a massive stock 165hp, scored a blistering 17.2 second quarter at Maple Grove!)

[NikFu S.]

NikFu - The SVX was 15.4-15.6 second ¼mile off the factory line. 100+k miles later, you can't possibly expect it to hold the same times, without modification and very good maintenance.

I think if the car is babied it will run fast at any mileage. I maintain to this day my SVX was faster when I bought it, before the mods and the beating I gave it. I think if I took it to the track the day I got it, it would have ran low 15s.

[TomsSVX]

I wasn't there for cash, trophies, or fame, that's for sure! :D I was only looking for a measure of what it'd do when driven to an old car/rare car/my only car level of drivetrain abuse. Considering the stats on the machine otherwise, I was pleased.

Ah, here's the rest:

60 ft: 2.3068
ET@594ft: 9.4548
1/8 ET: 10.0918
1/8 MPH: 70.64
1/4 ET: 15.7400
1/4 MPH: 86.52

If it's anything like my last car (2000 Legacy GT wagon), it'll probably be the only time I run it down the quarter mile. (Incidentally, the Legacy, weighing in at around 3400 lbs and being tugged by a massive stock 165hp, scored a blistering 17.2 second quarter at Maple Grove!)

I understand you were just out for fun which is perfectly ok in my book... Hell I used to drag race my old 88 c1500:D

BUT your 60' times should be closer to 2.0 or better

Tom

[NikFu S.]

I agree. Just FYI, my 60' was 2.46 on my 15.67 run, again, to note 2 years after breaking the car and it was running poorly.

[Landshark]

hey, you guys might even be able to take a minivan at the drag strip.




maybe. :lol:

[benebob]

hey, you guys might even be able to take a breeder buggie at the drag strip.




maybe. :lol:

Fixed your post!

[SVXRide]

Remeber Bill 5 speeds tend to be slower in the 1/4 then an auto.

Ben,
I thought YT's 5spd had one of the faster 1/4 mile times?
-Bill

[TomsSVX]

14.53 is slow nowadays:p

Tom

[SVXRide]

14.53 is slow nowadays:p

Tom

so true...so true:cool::D
-Bill

[benebob]

Ben,
I thought YT's 5spd had one of the faster 1/4 mile times?
-Bill

Look at the results for 90s subies in car and driver or motortrend. The autos were faster to 60 and about even at the 1/4 with PROFESSIONAL drivers behind the wheel. Heck the real Legacy turbo auto was nearly a second faster to 60 than the 5 speed.

[Nomake Wan]

But isn't the gearing on say the WRX 5spd different from the 91 Legacy Turbo? Wouldn't that make a difference too? I mean we're not just talking 1990 cars here, we have transmission transplants from many years later.

[NikFu S.]

But isn't the gearing on say the WRX 5spd different from the 91 Legacy Turbo? Wouldn't that make a difference too? I mean we're not just talking 1990 cars here, we have transmission transplants from many years later.I believe he is comparing the Legacy 5 spd to the Legacy auto.

The only reason the autos would be faster is do to quick shifting. The MTs would be faster due to less weight, generally lower gearing due to more gears fitting in a smaller space, and instant torque (as opposed to torque "conversion" from a viscous liquid)

[benebob]

I believe he is comparing the Legacy 5 spd to the Legacy auto.

The only reason the autos would be faster is do to quick shifting. The MTs would be faster due to less weight, generally lower gearing due to more gears fitting in a smaller space, and instant torque (as opposed to torque "conversion" from a viscous liquid)

Doesn't matter what you're comparing it to, consistatly an auto will outpreform a manual in drag racing whether its a subaru or a corvette. Look at the results, they don't lie. Could be a Legacy Turbo, first gen legacy, first gen Impreza 2nd gen legacy they all had a similar 1/4 mile result (close enough for statistically equal once different factors like temp, age of the test car etc) from professional testing. Since all the experts here don't believe it then I guess they don't read car mags?;)

[NikFu S.]

I can see that being the case if the gearing is similar and redline is the same (meaning the auto can pull as high as the manual) and can make full use of the powerband.

[crazyhorse]

Eliminating all other factors, an auto will always be quicker at the strip. More importantly, for bracket racers, they're WAY more consistent.

[NikFu S.]

I think we are kinda getting off track here. The only factor worth looking at is the 4eat and final drive in the SVX compared to the MTs available. There is no logical reason a 5mt swap will be slower than the stock auto unless the driver does not shift well or there are other technical problems.
A quick search of the internet and you'll find yes, everyone agrees autos are faster in the quarter, pound for pound, but that's it. It's easy to get a solid launch and the gears shift quickly as long as line pressure is high.

I'll tell you this though, if I can launch and shift a 5MT as quickly as I can launch and shift the V-Star, it's no contest. I'm going to hazard a guess and say I can pull a shift on that bike in 1/4th of a second.

[Ricochet]

fyi

http://www.subaru-svx.net/forum/showthread.php?t=41043

[TomsSVX]

autos will beat out 5mt's... under a couple conditions.

The auto needs to be in good shape with good shift maps.

The auto needs to be built for really crisp shifts... If the gear shift takes .8 seconds (believe me they do) thats .8 seconds you are losing. I can bang out a shift in my 6mt in less time than a SVX auto box can any day... I just have to do it 2-3 more times than the svx. Turbo cars especially benefit because a 5mt will drop pressure. An auto will have turbo lag once off the line and then keeps up pressure throughout the run.... All this aside, it is merely getting out of the hole with a 5mt that makes it that much faster.... A gut busting sub 2.0 sec launch:rolleyes: will pics up a bunch of time in the 1/4 and your traps will be much lower as well.

Tom

[Nevin]

I look forward to the day when I can get in my SVX turbo and go do an automatic AWD turbo launch. VERY hard to beat one of those!

[benebob]

The only factor worth looking at is the 4eat and final drive in the SVX compared to the MTs available. There is no logical reason a 5mt swap will be slower than the stock auto unless the driver does not shift well or there are other technical problems.

Your right, makes sense to compare apples to oranges.:rolleyes:

[Nomake Wan]

That's the whole problem though! An auto will be faster than a manual with all else being equal. The point here is that all else is not equal. You have an auto from 1990 and a manual from... what, 1998 or something? Totally different gearing and setup.

Now if you go and rebuild that auto to have better gearing, stronger internals, higher stall speed, etc etc etc... then it'll spank a 5spd of the same calibre.

The point is that what are being compared aren't of the same calibre. So it's pointless to argue that the stock auto would be faster. I'm pretty sure the times posted here prove that's not so...

[NikFu S.]

Your right, makes sense to compare apples to oranges.:rolleyes:

Isn't that what we are working with? My apple is broken and I want it to be an orange.

[benebob]

That's the whole problem though! An auto will be faster than a manual with all else being equal. The point here is that all else is not equal. You have an auto from 1990 and a manual from... what, 1998 or something? Totally different gearing and setup.

Now if you go and rebuild that auto to have better gearing, stronger internals, higher stall speed, etc etc etc... then it'll spank a 5spd of the same calibre.

The point is that what are being compared aren't of the same calibre. So it's pointless to argue that the stock auto would be faster. I'm pretty sure the times posted here prove that's not so...

I never said a 3.53 gearing was faster than a 4.44 I simply stated that an auto will put up better times than a same geared manual. You need to compare apples to apples not the oranges. I know there are plenty of neons that are faster than an SVX in a 1/4 so they must be better cars right. Do you need help realizing the truth still?:confused:

[Evil One]

SERIOUS disagreement on an auto being faster with all things being equal.
Look at ford mustang GTs. Especially the 90s models. Same car, same engine, and the autos are a second slower. Similer thing with 90s stock camaros and firebirds.
In a race... as in drag strip only application the autos are better.


Jim

[Nomake Wan]

I never said a 3.53 gearing was faster than a 4.44 I simply stated that an auto will put up better times than a same geared manual. You need to compare apples to apples not the oranges. I know there are plenty of neons that are faster than an SVX in a 1/4 so they must be better cars right. Do you need help realizing the truth still?:confused:

That's not it... *shakes head* I already know that an auto with the same gearing as a manual will put better drag times down. That isn't what's being compared in this thread, though. You can't just magically change someone's specs just to make your argument work out. It's a stock auto versus a 5spd. The gearing is different. Therefore it makes sense that the 5spd got better times.

In general you would be correct, but this thread isn't "in general." This thread has specifics, which you constantly ignore. :o

[benebob]

So you not only can't read but obviously can't realize I was the one who brought up that a 5 speed isn't typically as fast as an auto in a drag. Did you see the thread starter posting his 1/4 mile times in an auto of any ratio? Didn't think so. Learn to read. Then you can speak. Until then why are you not studying words.:confused:

A 4.11 auto in the same car will be faster in a 1/4 than a 4.11 manual. A 4.44 auto in the same car will be faster in a 1/4 than a 4.44 manual. A 3.53 auto in the same car will be faster than a 3.53 manual. A 3.9 auto in the same car will be faster than a 3.9 manual.

Kept simple sentences for ya. Hope it helps.

That's not it... *shakes head* I already know that an auto with the same gearing as a manual will put better drag times down. That isn't what's being compared in this thread, though. You can't just magically change someone's specs just to make your argument work out. It's a stock auto versus a 5spd. The gearing is different. Therefore it makes sense that the 5spd got better times.

In general you would be correct, but this thread isn't "in general." This thread has specifics, which you constantly ignore. :o

[TomsSVX]

then why is it that my old 4.11 manual was seconds off the pace in relatively stock form... even faster than OT's heavily modified 4.44? I am talking back when all it had was an exhaust and a dryer duct intake?? I mean I understand the logistics of the whole auto/mt debate BUT why is the SVX such a difference??

Tom

[jman050]

So you not only can't read but obviously can't realize I was the one who brought up that a 5 speed isn't typically as fast as an auto in a drag. Did you see the thread starter posting his 1/4 mile times in an auto of any ratio? Didn't think so. Learn to read. Then you can speak. Until then why are you not studying words.:confused:

A 4.11 auto in the same car will be faster in a 1/4 than a 4.11 manual. A 4.44 auto in the same car will be faster in a 1/4 than a 4.44 manual. A 3.53 auto in the same car will be faster than a 3.53 manual. A 3.9 auto in the same car will be faster than a 3.9 manual.

Kept simple sentences for ya. Hope it helps.

this generalization really only holds true on a built stalled auto. with a slushbox like the svx has i wouldnt be suprised if someone can shift an manual faster. Not to mention it is a simple fact that there is more drivetrain loss and the manual has the ability to launch at higher rpm than the stock auto. which = faster 60'= quicker ET

[Nomake Wan]

So you not only can't read but obviously can't realize I was the one who brought up that a 5 speed isn't typically as fast as an auto in a drag. Did you see the thread starter posting his 1/4 mile times in an auto of any ratio? Didn't think so. Learn to read. Then you can speak. Until then why are you not studying words.:confused:

A 4.11 auto in the same car will be faster in a 1/4 than a 4.11 manual. A 4.44 auto in the same car will be faster in a 1/4 than a 4.44 manual. A 3.53 auto in the same car will be faster than a 3.53 manual. A 3.9 auto in the same car will be faster than a 3.9 manual.

Kept simple sentences for ya. Hope it helps.

Wow, and Jason was the one who got banned? :confused::rolleyes:

[SVXRide]

I think we'd better watch it, or this thread is definitely going to get locked:barf:

How about this --

An automatic with shifting characteristics and gearing equal to a manual trans will produce faster 1/4 mile times (eliminates human error with clutch and shifts).

An automatic with sloppy shifting characteristic - compared to a manual - and gearing identical to a manual will probably be slightly slower in the 1/4 mile (but more consistent).

An automatic with sloppy shifting and higher (lower numerically) gearing than a manual will almost always be slower than a manual with lower (higher numerically) gearing

-Bill

[It's Just Eric]

Thank you, bill. It was hurting to read the nonesence after a while.5mt is lighter.Against a built auto it has that single advantage

Anyhow, yeah...I bet if you fixed that egr problem, and mabey worked on shifts a little bit, you should be able to run much faster. Someone with similar modifications who has been at the strip recently could hopefully chime in and let you know what kind of times you should be putting down, so you have a basis of how well your car / you are running

[benebob]

Wow, and Jason was the one who got banned? :confused::rolleyes:

Yeah maybe you should be to for ignorance. :rolleyes: JK. I wish Jason was still here and that he resolved his problems with a client he blew up at properly but he isn't and he didn't to my knowledge. I gave you the sources, if you don't believe me read a magazine, its pretty well documented. Only exceptions I've seen are for the WRX 2.0 which needs a specific powerband with its turbo set up. Everything else pretty much conforms to autos being faster.

[benebob]

this generalization really only holds true on a built stalled auto. with a slushbox like the svx has i wouldnt be suprised if someone can shift an manual faster. Not to mention it is a simple fact that there is more drivetrain loss and the manual has the ability to launch at higher rpm than the stock auto. which = faster 60'= quicker ET

No it holds true to virtually every Subaru made (that is unless Subaru sends built stalled autos for car mags to test). Read your car and driver's or motor trendsfor the past 15 years and you'll realize you're wrong. Comparable subies the auto is faster than the stick virtually every time. Reality is well reality.

[Amazonparrot]

a little while before I sold my ebony, I ran a 15.3 in it, keep plugging away, you'll get those times down.


me...I'll be busy running 12.8's @ 110 with my rex :D

actually with me driving probably more like 13.1's, but who's complaining?

[benebob]

me...I'll be busy running 12.8's @ 110 with my rex :D

actually with me driving probably more like 13.1's, but who's complaining?

That must be the fastest rex on the planet with all of 660ccs max! A WRX is not a REX! Doesn't even come close!:D

[Amazonparrot]

ok ok fine...my wrx

happy?? :p:p