I smell toast (or how I killed my engine)

[Hocrest]

Last night (early morning) on my way home I toasted my engine. Don't quite know the details yet, but I'm guessing a major oil leak developed that allowed the oil to blow out as fast as I was adding more???

She got me close to home, but I had to walk the last mile. I'll know more after I get her home tonight.

:( :( :( :(

[msvx95]

Add to your avatar that you toasted 1 engine.
Next you need to toast the rear end or something :p

[TomsSVX]

dang.... Your stats are getting dangerously close to mine

4 trannies (2 auto 2 5mt)
3 engines (2 head gasket, 1 burnt valve)

Tom

[Sidewinder]

4 trannies (2 auto 2 5mt)
3 engines (2 head gasket, 1 burnt valve)

Tom


Stats like this warrant a medal system in the community.

[SVXRide]

Dave,

not satisfied toasting transmissions, huh? :(

-Bill

[Hocrest]

Dave,

not satisfied toasting transmissions, huh? :(

-Bill

Nah... The smell of burnt ATF just aint gettin me off anymore... Now I need to smell that burnt 10/30...

So... can I take your car for a test drive on Saturday??? :D

[TomsSVX]

smelling burnt oil is always fun... especially when only one of your exhaust pipes if blowing smoke... and a lot of it!! :D

Tom

[svxfiles]

Nah... The smell of burnt ATF just aint gettin me off anymore... Now I need to smell that burnt 10/30...

So... can I take your car for a test drive on Saturday??? :D
You could drive my Pearlie, but it's box stock, (except for 4.44s) on maypops...

[SVXRide]

Nah... The smell of burnt ATF just aint gettin me off anymore... Now I need to smell that burnt 10/30...

So... can I take your car for a test drive on Saturday??? :D


Cough....I think Chike was looking for an experienced co-driver :D
-Bill

[benebob]

Looks like we got us an engine to start building!!! Hmmm... 250 horses at the wheel while remaining in E Prepared should do nicely.

[Hocrest]

You could drive my Pearlie, but it's box stock, (except for 4.44s) on maypops...

Thanks for the offer Tom, but I was just offering to kill Bill's engine literally. Rather than just the figureative Killing that the racer will be handing him on Saturday :D

[SVXRide]

Okay, okay....

Ben,
250 WHP in the racecar would be freakin' awesome (might have to take it on the driftin' circuit :D )

Dave (aka "TurfKing"),
The only "killing" the racecar will be handing me on Saturday will be the time I kill helping push the racecar out of the grass... :eek: ;) :p
-Bill

[wawazat??]

Wow, the smack is being handed out here mercilessly :D

Nice job on your aluminum welding experiment Dave :eek:

[Hocrest]

Wow, the smack is being handed out here mercilessly :D

Nice job on your aluminum welding experiment Dave :eek:

I Have to do something to take my mind off the tragedy... Just like Bill will have to do on Sat night :D

Well I just got it home the last little stretch, so now it sits in my driveway... Now it's time to start figuring it out;

- The oil pan is overfull, Now I'm assuming that I was a little low when I first noticed, added and then when the symptoms got worse just added more oil, assuming that it was blowing it out somewhere. Honestly I can't say for sure if I checked the oil level after that original time.

- Last night about 1/2 way through the "10 miles of hell" I started getting a "oil pressure light" at idle. Any downhill opportunity I got, I would shift into N and let it idle or turn it off. It was also making a lot of valve type noise and an occasional bearing type screech.

- Towards the end last night and again tonight the engine will not rev freely in P or N. Nor would it accelerate beyond 2k with the trans in 1st/2nd.

- This is the 4eat that I recently lost 3rd/4th in. But I've still been driving around in 2nd and not running above 4k.

- Is it possible for a engine on the verge of seizing to NOT increase the coolant temperature at all?? My coolant temp stayed right in the middle... normal... the entire time this crap was going down.

- Tonight at one point as I crested a small hill, it seemed to "free" the engine slightly.


Now, after getting it home I had a thought... Is it possible that a bad torque converter and a binding/siezed input shaft could cause the engine to bind and stall, but still allow the car to coast in N???

Could this in anyway cause the timing belt to skip that would explain the valve noise????

[GreenMarine]

WOW.... Sucks man.... Keep us posted :).... Hope that ya still get to the Challenge :)

[Hocrest]

WOW.... Sucks man.... Keep us posted :).... Hope that ya still get to the Challenge :)

I'll be there. I wasn't planning on taking the SVX anyway due to the trans issues.

[SVXRide]

Dave,
could the oil pump have gone out on you? Smack talk aside, I'm really sorry this happened to you...
-Bill

[TomsSVX]

WOW. Thats sounds exactly what happened to my motor. I just ripped it out and replaced it... I tore the engine down and still never found out what it was. assumed it was a burnt valve but never really looked into it

Tom

[Hocrest]

Dave,
could the oil pump have gone out on you? Smack talk aside, I'm really sorry this happened to you...
-Bill

It's all in fun man :D

I'm questioning the oil pump as well.

but... I'm not sure if I'm just trying to give my self some false hope, but the more I think of this TC/input shaft theory, the more sense it could make???

If I try to turn the engine with a breaker bar and get a feel for the resistance, then unbolt the TC from the flex plate and see if that allows the engine to spin more freely????

Am I nuts and still in shock? or is this somewhat plausible???

[TomsSVX]

doubtful. Are you burning any oil in exhaust?? check the oil for antifreeze and visa versa

Tom

[SVXRide]

Well, it's worth a try...have you checked the coolant and oil to see if any fluid is where it's not supposed to be? The fact that your oil pressure light came on is NOT a good thing, as they're typically set fairly low (pressure-wise). The fact that it seems like you had plenty of oil in the engine and the light still came on leads me to think it's the oil pump.....
-Bill

[Hocrest]

Yeah... it doesn't make sense. But when driving it it feels like I'm driving a manual tranny with one foot heavy on the brake...

It feels like the engine wants to go, but something is holding it back???

I'll drain the oil tomorrow and see what comes out :eek:

[Hocrest]

doubtful. Are you burning any oil in exhaust?? check the oil for antifreeze and visa versa

Tom

No smoke anywhere... exhaust or around the engine. I couldn't tell last night due to the fog and dark. But she was running for about 5 minutes tonight and I saw no smoke.

[SVXRide]

Dave,
so she'll start up and idle okay? If this is the case, then I'd definitely look at that trans (especially since you have sooooo much experience replacing them...)
-Bill

[TomsSVX]

I would say in the case of a solid idle... trans

the oil pressure light will come on when the engine is on the verge of stalling...if ur torque converter is locking up it will stall the engine much like you are describing... Check it out may just be the tc or a bad trans...in that case it is an easy and inexpensive fix

To

[SUBBYRU89]

- This is the 4eat that I recently lost 3rd/4th in. But I've still been driving around in 2nd and not running above 4k.


You are such the fibber...I was your passenger when you had her on the back road with the needle above the 4K mark. Remember? :D

On a serious note all will be fine...don't fret.

[benebob]

There is a torque convertor for like $10 with 25 shipping on ebay right now. I think it has like a day left at the most.

[Subafreak]

There is a torque convertor for like $10 with 25 shipping on ebay right now. I think it has like a day left at the most.


Hell I have three of them you can have ;)


I hope it's not yur motor. :(

[Hocrest]

Hell I have three of them you can have ;)


I hope it's not yur motor. :(

Sold :D

I'll see ya Saturday at Connie's :D

[Hocrest]

Finally got into her tonight :rolleyes:

Turning the crank with a breaker bar, there doesn't seem to be any more resistance than normal and no funny noises. Once I disconnected the TC from the flex plate there was very little difference. Next I pulled the starter and the TC can be easily spun by hand. I drained the oil and have started to strain it to see if anything interesing is in there.

What else can I check? I know the trans has to be replaced. If I have to replace the engine also, I'd like to do it at the same time. What else can I check with the engine to see if there is an internal problem???

[oab_au]

If the engine has dropped oil pressure, and seized or tightened up, the oil that was between the seizing surfaces, will be burnt. Take the filler cap off and smell the crankcase. If it smells burnt, it is. No burnt smell, it may be ok.

Harvey. ;)

[SVXRide]

Dave,
You might want to go ahead and drain the oil -- this will allow you to do two things at once --1. smell it to see if it's burnt (per Harvey's suggestion) and 2. see if there's any antifreeze in it (to see if you've blown a head gasket)
-Bill
p.s. you might want to hook the starter back up and start the engine to see what happens with the TC disconnected

[huck369]

Dave,
You might want to go ahead and drain the oil -- this will allow you to do two things at once --1. smell it to see if it's burnt (per Harvey's suggestion) and 2. see if there's any antifreeze in it (to see if you've blown a head gasket)
-Bill
p.s. you might want to hook the starter back up and start the engine to see what happens with the TC disconnected


The starter ring is on the TC, so you can't start it with the TC unhooked....

I'm betting it's a tranny/TC issue

[Hocrest]

Dave,
You might want to go ahead and drain the oil -- this will allow you to do two things at once --1. smell it to see if it's burnt (per Harvey's suggestion) and 2. see if there's any antifreeze in it (to see if you've blown a head gasket)
-Bill
p.s. you might want to hook the starter back up and start the engine to see what happens with the TC disconnected

I drained it earlier, it doesn't smell toasty :)

There was no coolant in it, and I saw no gunk in the radiator or tank.

I'm filtering it through a rag to see if I can come up with any metal particles...

p.s. Thanks for that other tip :rolleyes: :p :D

[SVXRide]

I drained it earlier, it doesn't smell toasty :)

There was no coolant in it, and I saw no gunk in the radiator or tank.

I'm filtering it through a rag to see if I can come up with any metal particles...

p.s. Thanks for that other tip :rolleyes: :p :D

D'oh! blame it on my "American Iron" upbringing...
-Bill

[Hocrest]

Good News!!!!! :D

At the bottom of the oil pan I found "Gold Dust" :eek: :D
I figure I can sell this dust to help pay for the new engine :mad:


... So this brass is a bearing I guess?? Time to lift the block and drop the pan? Or should I just plan on replacing the engine?

[huck369]

Good News!!!!! :D

At the bottom of the oil pan I found "Gold Dust" :eek: :D
I figure I can sell this dust to help pay for the new engine :mad:


... So this brass is a bearing I guess?? Time to lift the block and drop the pan? Or should I just plan on replacing the engine?


You can probably replace the engine cheaper than repair that one....

[TomsSVX]

eeeeeeeewwwwwwwwww main bearings.... Nasty failure and very expensive to replace. I would say you found your problem

Tom

[benebob]

eeeeeeeewwwwwwwwww main bearings.... Nasty failure and very expensive to replace. I would say you found your problem

Tom


And found us a good source for an engine to build. What did you ever do with that hunk you killed Tom?

[TomsSVX]

the block is still in the basement. Heads I gave to Bill at the Challenge. Still trying to find a cheaper source for main, con rod bearings pins rings etc... I would love to build the block for 9.0-1 CR for the turbo project but I need to find bearing that won't cost $1k for just con rod and mains

Tom

[SVXRide]

And found us a good source for a boat anchor. What did you ever do with that hunk you killed Tom?

Ben,
Fixed your post.
-Bill
p.s. now I see why you sent Dave off to Florida...you don't want him driving the Race Car! :eek: :D :D

[benebob]

now I see why you sent Dave off to Florida...you don't want him driving the Race Car! :eek: :D :D

No he's scouting out for the $2006 GRM Challenge where we can still spend another $300 and still be in the sub $1000 catagory. $600 if we sell some more stuff.

[SVXRide]

No he's scouting out for the $2006 GRM Challenge where we can still spend another $300 and still be in the sub $1000 catagory. $600 if we sell some more stuff.

Ben,
Really? I figured Dave was just going down to Disney World :rolleyes:
You know, we could probably work a deal with the 275s so they show up on your "official" books in a benefical manner :cool:
-Bill

[benebob]

Ben,
Really? I figured Dave was just going down to Disney World :rolleyes:


Not really, actually a potential sponsor flew him down to talk $$$.

[oab_au]

Good News!!!!! :D

At the bottom of the oil pan I found "Gold Dust" :eek: :D
I figure I can sell this dust to help pay for the new engine :mad:


... So this brass is a bearing I guess?? Time to lift the block and drop the pan? Or should I just plan on replacing the engine?

Hi are you sure it is brass, check it with a magnet. The bearings in the engine an made out of whitemetal/steel, no brass used in anything that I can think of, in the crankcase.

Harvey. ;)

[SVXRide]

Not really, actually a potential sponsor flew him down to talk $$$.

Does the "potential sponsor" wear white gloves and have abnormally large ears? :rolleyes: :D
-Bill

[benebob]

Does the "potential sponsor" wear white gloves and have abnormally large ears? :rolleyes: :D
-Bill

I wish, but then again we might get our potty mouths sensored then! :D

[SUBBYRU89]

Does the "potential sponsor" wear white gloves and have abnormally large ears? :rolleyes: :D
-Bill

Dave didn't talk much about his reasoning for Florida, but he did send me a PIC...hmmmm is this the future sponsor or is he just having a good time? We'll have to find out when he gets back. :D
http://www.subaru-svx.net/photos/files/SUBBYRU89/30185.jpg

[SVXRide]

Dave didn't talk much about his reasoning for Florida, but he did send me a PIC...hmmmm is this the future sponsor or is he just having a good time? We'll have to find out when he gets back. :D
http://www.subaru-svx.net/photos/files/SUBBYRU89/30185.jpg


I see Dave has a biiiiiig smile on his face :rolleyes:
-Bill

[Hocrest]

Hi are you sure it is brass, check it with a magnet. The bearings in the engine an made out of whitemetal/steel, no brass used in anything that I can think of, in the crankcase.

Harvey. ;)
I'll check again when I get home....

[Hocrest]

I see Dave has a biiiiiig smile on his face :rolleyes:
-Bill

Well just before that photo was taken Shamu himself signed a HUGE check... aparently he liked the color scheme of our car :D:D

[SVXRide]

Well just before that photo was taken Shamu himself signed a HUGE check... aparently he liked the color scheme of our car :D:D

So does this mean that you'll have to put all of the window glass back in the Race Car? (think fish bowl) :p

Does this mean that the "Race Car" will now have a real name ("Little Shamu"?) :rolleyes:

-Bill

[TomsSVX]

does this mean "hackemup Bro's" will be buying the right parts?? Instead of "making" them work :D

Tom

[Hocrest]

does this mean "hackemup Bro's" will be buying the right parts?? Instead of "making" them work :D

Tom

What fun would that be...

Anybody can buy a racecar :D :D

[Hocrest]

Hi are you sure it is brass, check it with a magnet. The bearings in the engine an made out of whitemetal/steel, no brass used in anything that I can think of, in the crankcase.

Harvey. ;)

You got it... it stuck to the magnet so definately not brass.

[benebob]

does this mean "hackemup Bro's" will be buying the right parts?? Instead of "making" them work :D

Tom


Built not bought is the motto of any self respecting man!!! :D

[SVXRide]

Built not bought is the motto of any self respecting man!!! :D

Amen, Brother Ben! :D :D
-Bill

[TomsSVX]

Well, as long as it is ROAD worthy and not just track worthy I am in ;)

Tom

[TomsSVX]

Oh, BTW when I blew my motor, I also had those little "brass" looking chips all inside of my intake. Just a little piece of info

Tom